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MSGlow's avatar
MSGlow
On our wavelength
4 days ago

Bang & Olufsen Beocom 2 and 6000 not working

Following our landline switch over to the Virgin fibre digital service last Thursday our B&O cordless phones can make outgoing calls but prevent any incoming calls. They do not ring and any incoming call fails without being diverted to voicemail. The Virgin engineer who did the switchover did a good job cabling to the upstairs router but was at a loss to explain the fault. Another engineer who subsequently attended was also unable to help. Because of age and health concerns we are classed as ‘vulnerable’ yet Virgin have been singularly unhelpful to date; they have left us with no cordless phones and never highlighted this risk prior to the switchover.

Can anyone help with getting our phones working?

37 Replies

  • MSGlow's avatar
    MSGlow
    On our wavelength

    As suggested by #goslow I contacted the vintage telephony guy (Chris) as used by SDM123. An interesting conversation - the upshot was that the ‘work round’ for SDM123 was simply to install a resistor between the router and the Beoline base station. A more elegant solution was not possible as the circuitry in the Beoline 2 handset was rather opaque and no circuit diagrams have been publicly published by B&O. SDM123’s issue  was diagnosed as being due to an inappropriate current level being supplied from the router which triggers the pick-up circuitry but not the ring functionality. The work round was to stick a resistor in a box that is connected in series betwixt router and base station. Chris did not regard this as a solution as it leaves the inappropriate circuitry in the phone/base station intact. When they return to their shop next week I will be able to send the Beoline base station, the Beocom 2 and the two Beocom 6000’s to see if he can do the same trick he did for SDM123. Although he couldn’t guarantee success. He also said that the B&O phones were the only make he’d come across that have this issue.

    • goslow's avatar
      goslow
      Alessandro Volta

      Very interesting. That sounds like you have made some useful progress. Seems like he is saying the current being drawn when a call comes in makes the phone think it has been picked up/answered so there is no ringing when a call comes in. Hopefully he can replicate the same fix for you.

  • MSGlow's avatar
    MSGlow
    On our wavelength

    Thanks @goslow, your replies on this subject have been very informative. I had presumed that VM would not be able to fix the core issue, but I have yet to receive a definitive answer, yeah or nay, from the horses mouth as it were.

    • goslow's avatar
      goslow
      Alessandro Volta

      You will get no useful answer from VM. They will simply tell you that they don't support third party equipment and particularly so if it is 'vintage' equipment.

      You are more likely to get a useful answer from the 'vintage telephony' company linked earlier in the topic. They should be able to explain why the B&O phones do not work on the VM hub and what cost their adapter device is and what it is the adapter actually does. (I suspect it is something along the lines of modifying the incoming signal/voltage from the VM hub into a format that the B&O phones can recognise).

      If you speak to them and you get any useful feedback, post up the info on here as it may help someone else in the future with the same problem

  • Client62's avatar
    Client62
    Alessandro Volta

    There is no market to corner.

    We have been with VM since 2017 and I suspect this is barely 10th time similar issues with B&O phones have come on this forum.  It is a memorable topic because is it so rare.

      • Client62's avatar
        Client62
        Alessandro Volta

        No but if I did I've have more tools on hand to dig deeper, we have a Cisco SPA112 ATA where the Ringing Voltage & Frequency and Ringing signal shape & cadence are all controllable and can be set to be identical to a BT exchange. 

        A VM Hub lacks these options for the telephone ports.

        The B&O kit I had was not a telephone :  https://beoworld.org/beogram-3400/ 

  • MSGlow's avatar
    MSGlow
    On our wavelength

    It's all rather complicated to someone not digi (or indeed analogue) comms savvy. But thanks to all for trying to help. I think I'll get in touch with the vintage telephony guys who sorted SDM123 Beocom issues out... I'm sure there must be more frustrated people like me out there who want to keep their nicely designed Beocoms going. So surely there is a market for some electronics guys to corner...

    • MSGlow's avatar
      MSGlow
      On our wavelength

      Thanks I'll give a peruse...

  • Client62's avatar
    Client62
    Alessandro Volta

    My concern with the B&O phones is their age, buy now the rechargeable batteries must have needed replacing several times, I did not see the type used to see if they remain available.

    The Beocom 2 (quite a piece of art) and the Beocom 6000 are both described at DECT phones.

    Could the B&O DECT handsets be re-paired to say a current BT DECT cordless base unit ? 

    https://beoworld.org/beocom-2/

    https://beocentral.com/beocom6000

    • MSGlow's avatar
      MSGlow
      On our wavelength

      Thanks for your input. I don’t know the answer to the repairing idea. We’ve had the phones since about 2009 and never needed to change the rechargeable batteries - they seem to be as good as new. They are, or were, excellent reliable phones. As with all B&O kit they were expensive and beautifully designed; the Beocom 2 in particular not just a phone but a talking point!

      • goslow's avatar
        goslow
        Alessandro Volta

        Most modern cordless phones should be 'GAP compatible'.

        https://support-uk.panasonic.eu/app/answers/detail/a_id/4034/~/what-is-gap-compatibility-on-dect-telephones%3F

        which means that different handsets can work with a particular base station.

        AIUI though, the GAP functionality only covers basic features so, if you paired the Beocom handsets with a different base station, you may only be able to use basic features of the phone.

        If I was trying to get the Beocom phones working again, I think I would be investigating the adapter device mentioned above if it was priced at a realistic sort of cost and the supplier offered some sort of guarantee on functionality. The report from SDM123 sounds encouraging and is the only report I can recall on here that describes a reliable fix for the Beocoms.

  • MSGlow's avatar
    MSGlow
    On our wavelength

    Oh dear i never realised and the Virgin operatives I've had dealings with just shrug their shoulders. With no prior warning the result is we are left with no working cordless phones. This has been a shabby service from Virgin.

    • goslow's avatar
      goslow
      Alessandro Volta

      At one point in the past, there were quite a few topics about this on the forum (sadly now gone into the forum dustbin/archive) so there are no useful topics to refer back to.

      The Beocom phones are now 'vintage' and, based on what I can recall from the past discussions, I think they were designed specifically for the line conditions and signalling that would be found on a traditional BT exchange line from that time period. I assume that the electronic device mentioned above takes the incoming phone signal from the VM hub and converts it to a format that the Beocom phones can recognise.

      I would suggest that you should make contact with the firm mentioned to investigate prices for the device mentioned if you want to continue using the Beocom phones.

      Alternatively you could look at a modern cordless system to use with the connection from the VM hub.

      In the meantime (if you need something to use on a temorary basis) you could pick up a cheap corded handset until you can sort out some sort of cordless replacement or a fix for the Beocoms. You can get a cheap corded phone for around £10 or maybe a friend, family member or neighbour can lend you a phone while you work out a permanent resolution.

      VM has just been fined £23.8 million by OFCOM for failing to ensure the switchover was carried out appropriately for vulnerable users.

      Do you have access to mobile phones? If not, VM should offer to provide you with a suitable (corded) backup phone which also has the ability to make calls in a power cut.

      A VM person should reply to our topic (usually within a few days, or sooner if someone flags it). They won't be able to get your Beocom phones working but they should not have left you in a position with no working cordless phones and no explanation of other possible options.

      • AndyPink29's avatar
        AndyPink29
        Tuning in

        I am confused!  If the digital switchover has already happened what's the point of getting a corded handset for backup?