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FTTP AND Hybrid Fibre Coaxial

I currently have Vivid 100 and understand FTTP is not currently in my area it is only Hybrid Fibre Coaxial that is available.  Also I know that FTTP is part of the project lightning along side the Hybrid Fibre Coaxial which is also part of the project if im correct.  What I want to know is is the FTTP network is going to be coming to existing customers on the Hybrid Fibre Coaxial network. I really want this.  

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Re: FTTP AND Hybrid Fibre Coaxial

Virgin Media are unlikely to provide a proper answer if they bother at all. The HFC network is capable of at least 1Gbps. The current FTTP services offer 300 Mbps as does HFC.  It is true that FTTP has better noise characteristics than HFC which is why on DOCSIS 3.0, HFC won't be going very much higher than around 450 meg. At least that's how I see it.

When DOCSIS 3.1 comes along, shackles will be off on HFC.

There are other forces in play' namely keeping ahead of BT and its upcoming 300 Mbps service.  So VM speeds will rise again.

So, will  HFC homes be given FTTP?  I doubt mit due to cost

 

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FTTP and HFC will diverge in the not too distant future. VM are, by some way, the largest cable company I know of that tries to provide the same tiers everywhere.

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it does not make real difference to the end consumer

eg

Im getting 330 easy to my house

 I dont care if its HFC or HTTP or HP sauce

means little to the normal consumer

 

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Re: FTTP AND Hybrid Fibre Coaxial

FTTP only goes as far as the front wall, then it is normal coax inside the house, with exactly the same VM kit, so will give the same services as a properly functioning HTTP connection at present. I believe it also has the added complexity of requiring a powered converter on the front of the house. Maybe one day there will be devices with direct optical input but that would require VM to either abandon the installed coax or use 2 versions of everything.

I doubt you will see that any time soon and premises currently served with HTTP would likely be the last to get FTTP. That would also mean VM offering better options for Brand New Customers Only. Would they be prepared to do something as biased as that?

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Re: FTTP AND Hybrid Fibre Coaxial

Virgin Media are unlikely to provide a proper answer if they bother at all. The HFC network is capable of at least 1Gbps. The current FTTP services offer 300 Mbps as does HFC.  It is true that FTTP has better noise characteristics than HFC which is why on DOCSIS 3.0, HFC won't be going very much higher than around 450 meg. At least that's how I see it.

When DOCSIS 3.1 comes along, shackles will be off on HFC.

There are other forces in play' namely keeping ahead of BT and its upcoming 300 Mbps service.  So VM speeds will rise again.

So, will  HFC homes be given FTTP?  I doubt mit due to cost

 

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No. Not for years.
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FTTP and HFC will diverge in the not too distant future. VM are, by some way, the largest cable company I know of that tries to provide the same tiers everywhere.
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it does not make real difference to the end consumer

eg

Im getting 330 easy to my house

 I dont care if its HFC or HTTP or HP sauce

means little to the normal consumer

 

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Re: FTTP AND Hybrid Fibre Coaxial

FTTP only goes as far as the front wall, then it is normal coax inside the house, with exactly the same VM kit, so will give the same services as a properly functioning HTTP connection at present. I believe it also has the added complexity of requiring a powered converter on the front of the house. Maybe one day there will be devices with direct optical input but that would require VM to either abandon the installed coax or use 2 versions of everything.

I doubt you will see that any time soon and premises currently served with HTTP would likely be the last to get FTTP. That would also mean VM offering better options for Brand New Customers Only. Would they be prepared to do something as biased as that?
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The fiber does not stop at the garden wall goes alway to housec
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What is the detail behind that statement?
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Re: FTTP AND Hybrid Fibre Coaxial

This is interesting:

https://richardglover.co.uk/2017/07/virgin-media-fttp-install/

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Re: FTTP AND Hybrid Fibre Coaxial

Ah yes - RFoG.

Worth mentioning that this offers the same speeds as HFC because it's the same RF architecture. So long as it's fibre all the way back to the local hub (CMTS), less noise is almost certain.

Then it's down to the number of segments feeding into the same line card, sort of thing.

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