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ronjo94
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loss of email service

I have used "windows live mail"on my various win 7 machines for many many years but have not had this problem before. I can receive emails but cannot send or forward mail. When trying  to do this I get a "server is rejecting               the sender email address" message. I have 3 win 7 machines about my household and this applies to all of them.

I have contacted VM but they are not interested, they just keep saying that it is not their fault. Surely it is their server that is at  fault? All they want to do is try to sell me unwanted channels or increase broad band speed. Can anyone help please

  • See if these images help you. I have called an imaginary account Ntlworld in Window Live Mail. Follow through to check settings with whatever you have named your account

    If I right click on the account name and choose 'Properties'

     I bring up this window below. On the 'General' tab fill in your own details for 'Name' and 'Email address'

    On the 'Servers' tab below fill in your own 'Email username' and 'Password' and match the other settings

     Click the 'Settings' button above and you should see

     Choose 'OK'

    The 'Security' tab should be left as-is

     In the 'Advanced' tab the settings should look like this

     

  • goslow's avatar
    goslow
    Alessandro Volta

    VM has changed some of its security requirements and server settings which has stopped some email clients from working if they are on old settings.

    Try changing the settings in WLM to those below

    https://www.virginmedia.com/help/broadband/manage-email-account#48322eb1-7679-4e11-b7ea-f643dcd3784b

    checking authentication for SMTP along with port no. and encryption may be required

    WLM may have a setting a bit like this

    https://community.virginmedia.com/t5/Email/SMTP-server-not-accepting-outgoing-emails/m-p/5537576#M277457

    Outlook (similar to WLM) looks like this with some example settings

    https://community.virginmedia.com/t5/Email/Can-t-send-emails-and-can-t-access-my-webmail-or-my-broadband/m-p/5537644#M277463

    You may also be required to set up an app password to use an email client like WLM (explained in the first link above)

    • ronjo94's avatar
      ronjo94
      On our wavelength

      hi, thanks for your help. Alas this did not work. I changed everything from blueyonder to virgin media and amended where necessary but failed at the login  - incorrect password. The password was/is correct so i ended up resetting back to my previous setting and therefore unable to send mail. One thing occurs to me,having set up the new addresses etc should I then have logged in to VM and changed the password? 

      • Alex_RM's avatar
        Alex_RM
        Forum Team

        Hi ronjo94,

        Sorry to hear you're having some issues with your email. 

        If you can go here you will need to follow the advice under Setting your app password to use an Email app.

        Let us know how you get on.

        Alex_Rm

    • ronjo94's avatar
      ronjo94
      On our wavelength

      OK now I have just tried to pick up mail and I am told server not available?

  • goslow's avatar
    goslow
    Alessandro Volta

    VM has managed to make this all very complicated to explain. I claim no particular email expertise but this is my understanding of VM's email changes ...

    In the past, the primary login for 'My Virgin Media' (the account which allows you to see your bills, contract info, usage charges etc.) would allow you to administer any secondary email accounts (for things such as password changes on the secondary account).

    The primary login for 'My Virgin Media' would also have a corresponding email address via a ntlworld. blueyonder, virginmedia etc. email address. Both the primary 'My Virgin Media' and the primary email address would use the same primary email address and account password to log in.

    In the current arrangement, each secondary email account now also has its own 'My Virgin Media' account from where you have to make any changes to each secondary account (using the secondary email address and secondary account password to log in to each ‘My Virgin Media’ for each email account).

    If all continues to work (without VM forcing you to change anything else) this is also how you would log in to VM webmail for each VM email account and you would administer each email account via its own 'My Virgin Media' login (using the relevant email address and account password).

    In recent times though, VM has implemented security changes for some customers (meaning they cannot log above in as they did before).

    VM has started requiring customers to provide a third-party email address for security reasons. If/when you have to do this, you then use the third-party email address as the user name and then your account password to access 'My Virgin Media' or webmail for each account (once a third-party email address has been imposed). You are still using/accessing the VM email service, it is just your login name which is replaced by using the third-party email address as the login name.

    The process is explained below if you have to do this

    https://www.virginmedia.com/dpb/help/change-my-virgin-media-email-address

    In addition to the above, if you use an email client to send/receive email, VM has started using an 'app password' to connect email clients (such as Outlook, Thunderbird etc.). When you set up the email client, you use your full VM, blueyonder, ntlworld email address along with the app password to set up the account on the email client

    To generate an app password, you have to log into 'My Virgin Media' (for the particular email account you are trying to set up on your email client) and go to

    MyVM > Account Settings > Account details > Mailbox App password management

    Finally, VM has begun enforcing some of its outbound server settings and disallowing some previous settings that worked in the past. The current/required settings are explained in the link below

    https://www.virginmedia.com/help/broadband/manage-email-account

    in the section 'Connecting your Email to a Client App'. If you find you can receive email but not send, it is the 'SMTP settings' in your email client which need updating.

    I am sure others will correct, or add to, what I have suggested above if it is not entirely correct/accurate.

    Aside from the VM changes above, default advice to anyone experiencing VM email problems would be that once you have a third-party email set up, start the process of migrating all of your email requirements away from VM and onto the third-party email address. It can take some time to achieve this but, once done, you will be free of the never-ending merry-go-round of VM email problems.

    • ronjo94's avatar
      ronjo94
      On our wavelength

      Thanks for your latest info but I am now more confused than ever. At first it seems that I have to change my email address in an apparently simple way but when this dose not work there is talk of second and third parties. At the moment I can receive mail why do I have to change this. I am so confused, I am just trying to regain the ability to send mail and trying to follow all the detail that is being thrown is making it even more difficult to attain. One thing has come to light however. I do not want to change my email address and that has stopped me going to a new provider. I have been looking to change because after more than twenty years with VM I am getting sick of the higher pricing and a lowering of support such as is happening now when they have, in effect taken away part of my usage. Thanks for all of your attempts to help me but I just cannot get this sorted

  • goslow's avatar
    goslow
    Alessandro Volta

    I don't think I can explain the overall changes any better, unfortunately.

    You say 3 machines are affected and each has 3 email accounts.

    I suggest you pick one machine and try to get one email account working on one machine to begin with

    The most simple thing that might need changing is authentication needs to be set on WLM.

    In this screenshot from WLM

    https://www.lifewire.com/thmb/ho0xsH2y_AH8uwfOcukE8KobI3g=/750x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():format(webp)/how-to-access-outlook-or-hotmail-in-windows-live-mail-4043807-A-v1-5b604b404cedfd005043b522.png

    IGNORE everything in the screenshot (leave as is already on you own setup) APART FROM the bit for 'Outgoing server information' which should be

    Server address: smtp.virginmedia.com

    Port: 465

    TICK Requires a secure connection (SSL)

    TICK requires authentication

    On one PC try changing the above setting for one email account and see if that account will then send and receive.

    If it works make the same change to the remaining two email accounts in WLM on the first PC and see if they too can send/receive

    • ronjo94's avatar
      ronjo94
      On our wavelength

      Hi Goslow. Thanks for all the help that you are offering, it's just that I am so thick that I cannot understand the differing pieces of info that I am getting. If I start from scratch you may be able to point out where I am going wrong
      I have been using windows live mail for over twenty years with no problems then suddenly part of this has stopped working - I cannot send mail.

      When trying to send I get the message that the server is rejecting the [REMOVED]blueyonder.co.uk address

      My account properties are =

      Host name pop3.blueyonder.co.uk
      User name [REMOVED]blueyonder.co.uk
      Password Virgin media password
      Port 110

      Host name smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
      User name [REMOVED]blueyonder.co.uk
      Password Virgin media password
      Port 25

      Initially from the forum I understood that VM have made changes and that I should make the following changes

      The host names should become pop3.virginmedia.com and smtp.virginmedia.com respectively.

      Also I should select the SSL settings of 995 and 465 respeciively

      I made all the necessary changes and tried to send but received exactly the same rejection message?
      what am I doing or not doing?

      And then. from yesterday your screen shot, I ticked requires authentification. The result was that I was able to send mail and it was not rejected. however, the mail was shown in the sent folder but the message did not arrive. I sent a few more with the same results shown in the sent folder but not arriving at the destination. Lost in the ether?? What is happening now. I hope that this might help you to solve the problem

       

       

      [MOD EDIT: Personal information has been removed from this post.]

  • goslow's avatar
    goslow
    Alessandro Volta

    I am not sure why you would be using POP3 across multiple machines and it may be necessary to make further changes to the VM side of things (such as the password, depending on what you might have changed there already and what changes VM are enforcing behind the scenes) but ...

    Let's just try to get the updated settings into WLM first of all

    Here are some images for WLM (which I hope match the version you are using)

    https://www.johnlewisbroadband.com/support/email/check-settings/windows-live-mail-settings.html

    There are 7 pictures on this screen. You need to apply the VM settings to the relevant boxes on the screen. Try doing this on one account on one PC only.

    Pic 1 - For the account you are going to work on, choose 'Properties'

    Pic 2 - Via 'Properties' for the chosen account you should see the 5 tabs shown in Pic 2

    Pic 3 - Name: <your name as you want recipients to see it displayed when you email them e.g. Michael Smith, Mick Smith, M Smith etc.>
    E-mail address: <the email address of the account in question i.e. <youremail>@blueyonder.co.uk>

    TICK Include this account when receiving mail or synchronising

    Pic 4 - My incoming server is a POP3 server
    Incoming mail (POP3) : pop3.virginmedia.com
    Outgoing mail (SMTP): smtp.virginmedia.com
    E-mail username: <youremail>@ blueyonder.co.uk
    Password: <your virginmedia password>
    TICK Remember password
    SELECT Log on using clear text authentication
    Outgoing Mail Server TICK My server requires authentication

    Pic 5 - Leave as shown

    Pic 6 - Leave as shown

    Pic 7 - Outgoing mail (SMTP): 465
    TICK This server requires a secure connection (SSL)

    Incoming mail (POP3) 995
    TICK This server requires a secure connection (SSL)

    • ronjo94's avatar
      ronjo94
      On our wavelength

      Hi Goslow. Many thanks for your latest suggestions. Unfortunately  am having to hold up on trying to sort my problematic email set up. I am very grateful for your offerings which have obviously taken a lot of your time and effort. I will get back to you when I've had time to go through it to let you know what transpires. Thanks again

    • ronjo94's avatar
      ronjo94
      On our wavelength

      Hi Goslow. Had another try using the latest details that you sent but. alas it's still a no go. When trying to send the mail it is shown as having been sent as I had before but on a couple of tries I also get the following message" 

      "The server that you are connected to is using a security certificate that cannot be verified. continue  Yes or no"

      Hitting yes allows the mail to go into the sent folder but like all the others the mail disappears into the ether never to be seen again?

      In answer to your query why I use pop3 it simply is that 24 years ago when I signed up with Virgin that was what I was given?  and as time has gone by the family have adopted the same.  Do you  think that I should change over to emap if so how would I go about this please.

    • ronjo94's avatar
      ronjo94
      On our wavelength

      Hi Goslow. Had another try using the latest details that you sent but. alas it's still a no go. When trying to send the mail it is shown as having been sent as I had before but on a couple of tries I also get the following message" 

      "The server that you are connected to is using a security certificate that cannot be verified. continue  Yes or no"

      Hitting yes allows the mail to go into the sent folder but like all the others the mail disappears into the ether never to be seen again?

      In answer to your query why I use pop3 it simply is that 24 years ago when I signed up with Virgin that was what I was given?  and as time has gone by the family have adopted the same.  Do you  think that I should change over to emap if so how would I go about this please.

      • 用心棒's avatar
        用心棒
        Very Insightful Person

        ronjo94 wrote:


        "The server that you are connected to is using a security certificate that cannot be verified. continue  Yes or no"

        Hitting yes allows the mail to go into the sent folder but like all the others the mail disappears into the ether never to be seen again?


        It would be helpful to see the certificate involved here. When you next see this message select option to view it an thend post a screenshot of it here.

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  • goslow's avatar
    goslow
    Alessandro Volta

    I am running out of ideas to try to get this working for you ronjo94, unfortunately.

    The error message suggests that some of the server settings might still not be correct.

    Assuming that you are trying this on just one PC and you have 3 email accounts in WLM on that PC ...

    Temporarily stop the 2 email accounts that you are ignoring for the moment on that PC from sending/receiving. You can do this (for each of the 2 accounts in turn) by

    UNTICKING the option 'Include this account when receiving mail or synchronising' as shown in the third image below (you can turn them back on later on)

    https://www.johnlewisbroadband.com/support/email/check-settings/windows-live-mail-settings.html

    That will mean that only one of your accounts is sending/receiving when you click the send/receive button.

    For that one remaining account go through the settings again and check all the details as per my earlier post here

    https://community.virginmedia.com/t5/Email/loss-of-email-service/m-p/5542478#M278025

    and make sure all of the settings are correct

    When you compose a test email to send, make sure you are composing/sending from the one account which is running (not either of the two which is temporarily switched off)

    See if you can send/receive a test message using the one account where you have double checked all the settings are correct.

    Once you have tried this you would need to reinstate the tick on the two accounts you temporarily stopped.

  • goslow's avatar
    goslow
    Alessandro Volta

    See if these images help you. I have called an imaginary account Ntlworld in Window Live Mail. Follow through to check settings with whatever you have named your account

    If I right click on the account name and choose 'Properties'

     I bring up this window below. On the 'General' tab fill in your own details for 'Name' and 'Email address'

    On the 'Servers' tab below fill in your own 'Email username' and 'Password' and match the other settings

     Click the 'Settings' button above and you should see

     Choose 'OK'

    The 'Security' tab should be left as-is

     In the 'Advanced' tab the settings should look like this

     

    • ronjo94's avatar
      ronjo94
      On our wavelength

      Hi. After fruitless hours with trying all the ideas that you have sent, I have decided to give up with this and possibly with VM as well if they cannot come up with an answer. My contract with VM ends in September and until then I have linked up with Google mail for sending purposes, I can still receive mail from VM. Anyway many thanks for all the time and effort that you have put in,

      Ron

      The certificate message will not help you as it does specify a particular certificate

      • 用心棒's avatar
        用心棒
        Very Insightful Person

        ronjo94 wrote:


        The certificate message will not help you as it does specify a particular certificate


        This message is puzzling as the same root certificate would be used when validating imap.virginmedia.com, pop3.virginmedia.com or smtp.virginmedia.com. If the issue persist consider trying the following command in a Command Prompt window:

        curl -v smtps://smtp.virginmedia.com

        If the command is successful its output will end:


        > HELP
        < 214-2.0.0 This is csmtp5-prd-nl1-vmo.edge.unified.services ESMTP service help
        214-2.0.0 This is csmtp5-prd-nl1-vmo.edge.unified.services ESMTP service help
        < 214-2.0.0 To contact postmaster send email to postmaster@virginmedia.com.
        214-2.0.0 To contact postmaster send email to postmaster@virginmedia.com.
        < 214-2.0.0 For local information send email to Postmaster at your site.
        214-2.0.0 For local information send email to Postmaster at your site.
        < 214 2.0.0 end of HELP info
        214 2.0.0 end of HELP info

        NB curl is not available on Windows 7 by default, either download from curl for Windows or use a Windows 10 or 11 device

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  • goslow's avatar
    goslow
    Alessandro Volta

    Sorry to hear the required settings still didn't work for you ronjo94. @用心棒 may have further suggestions on the certificate issue.

    Aside from the many things that can break with VM email, the fact that your operating system and email program are both long out of date, and end of life, may further be muddying the waters.

    Windows 7 support ended 14/1/2020 and Windows Essentials 2012 (which was the last version with Live Mail) ended 10/1/17

    To get the last lot of screenshots I posted, I installed WLM onto a PC and it was a convoluted process to get hold of the program and install the other obsolete components to make it work. It is not impossible that some issues you are experiencing may be connected to the age of the software.

    You could always use VM webmail in the interim or try installing a different email client.

    You would probably best direct your future efforts towards migrating any contacts and services that are still associated with your VM email addresses over to your new Gmail account. That might be a more productive use of your time and will eventually rid you of VM email altogether.