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roy247's avatar
roy247
Superstar
11 months ago

Virgin community emails going straight to spam folder

Started about a week ago any replies I get from the Virgin community go straight to my spam folder so I obviously don't know about any replies. Can one of the forum team push this in the right direction please.

 

  • I have the same issue with Gmail. I have tried to report as NOT Phishing but it has not made any difference, Gmail thinks all community emails are "dangerous/not safe".

    • Adduxi's avatar
      Adduxi
      Very Insightful Person

      Yes, same here with GMail.  No big deal really, more of a slight annoyance having to drag the emails to the Inbox.

      • gilbo2's avatar
        gilbo2
        Dialled in

        Adduxi wrote:

        Yes, same here with GMail.  No big deal really, more of a slight annoyance having to drag the emails to the Inbox.


        Very true, just have to keep checking my spam folder 😉

    • roy247's avatar
      roy247
      Superstar

      I suppose a time frame for a fix is a bit like asking how long is a piece of string.

       

      • coenoby's avatar
        coenoby
        Very Insightful Person

        roy247 wrote:

        I suppose a time frame for a fix is a bit like asking how long is a piece of string.


        I think so.  😉

        Coenoby

  • Kei_M's avatar
    Kei_M
    Community Manager

    Hi all, thanks for raising for this.

    Yahoo and Google made some security updates earlier this year which means we have to update our email configuration but we were already in the process of changing our configuration for another of our domains which may have a knock on impact so we're just trying to bundle all the changes in together so it may take a little bit longer than you'd expect.

    Thanks,

    • ravenstar68's avatar
      ravenstar68
      Very Insightful Person

      Kei_M The issue is not with your domain itself, it's to do with the configuration of the outbound settings on the Khouros mail system.

      Currently it's sending the mail with the following From: address.

      From: Virgin Media Community Support
      <VirginMediaCommunitySupport@virginmedia.co.uk>

      This is what I'd expect.

      DMARC will use this domain when validating SPF and DKIM checks.

      The Authentication results from Microsofts server shows what's happening.

      Authentication-Results: spf=pass (sender IP is 149.72.175.76)
      smtp.mailfrom=em7732.eu.khoros-mail.com; dkim=pass (signature was verified)
      header.d=eu.khoros-mail.com;dmarc=fail action=quarantine
      header.from=virginmedia.co.uk;compauth=fail reason=000

      The SPF and DKIM checks pass but these are evaluated against the eu.khoros-mail.com domain.

      Because the From: address is in the virginmedia.co.uk domain DMARC fails because SPF and DKIM are not evaluated against this domain.

      How to fix this.

      Ask Khoros if it's possible to amend the DKIM settings on the outbound messaging so it signs it with a virginmedia.co.uk DKIM signature instead of a khoros one.

      AND/OR

      Ask khoros if it's possible to modify the mail from: address of the outbound mails so it falls in the virginmedia.co.uk domain (mail from: is the envelope sender, which can differ from the From: address)

      For DMARC to pass only one verification method needs to succeed either DKIM or SPF - but the domains of the checks MUST be aligned.

      This should be a quick fix and if you use DKIM - all you have to do is add a single TXT DNS entry to the virginmedia.co.uk domain with the public DKIM key used to validate the signature.

      Tim

      • ravenstar68's avatar
        ravenstar68
        Very Insightful Person

        To add to the above - there's nothing wrong with your SPF record either.

        As a test I popped the khoros server IP into Kitterman's SPF checker and instead of using khoros' mail from: identity I used the address in your From: header

        Here's the results

        Mail sent from this IP address: 149.72.175.76
        Mail from (Sender): VirginMediaCommunitySupport@virginmedia.co.uk
        
        Results - PASS sender SPF authorized

        In short - you don't need to be modifying your domains, you just need to talk to Khoros.  As they send on behalf of multiple domains - they should have a mechanism for dealing with this issue.

        Tim

    • ravenstar68's avatar
      ravenstar68
      Very Insightful Person

      Kei_M 

      If you need more information, drop me a PM and I'll let you have a full header.

    • roy247's avatar
      roy247
      Superstar

      Hi Kei-M,

      Another 6 week's has gone by and the problem is still the same, what did Khoros say ?

       

      • coenoby's avatar
        coenoby
        Very Insightful Person

        roy247 

        Just to say, that this issue has now been raised directly with the Forum Moderators again today.

        Coenoby

  • Thanks for the heads-up on this post, Roy ... I just discovered my VM community reply alerts dumped in my spam folder too.

    • roy247's avatar
      roy247
      Superstar

      Keep checking your spam folder is all I can say as not much appears to be happening from Virgin's end.

       

  • pineman's avatar
    pineman
    On our wavelength

    I have the same issue with iCloud email. Have tried using different email clients but it's still the same.

    • Kei_M's avatar
      Kei_M
      Community Manager

      No further forward I'm afraid but still working on it, they'd like us to setup a subdomain first before reconfiguring the settings. They don't fully support sender addresses that share a domain with our top-level domain or community domain for that matter.

      Thanks,

      • roy247's avatar
        roy247
        Superstar

        So Kei_M another 8 weeks has gone by with no update, what do you do all day, are you a tea drinker or coffee drinker at the brew and chat area where nothing happens.