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benawhile
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ntlworld emails delayed

Hi

I am an NHS patient and they communicate via an outsourced system called patienthub. The system works like this: I get an email from patienthub telling me that I have new information on the patienthub website and they supply a link to click on. I click and go the patient hub login page where I enter my date of birth and email address, whereupon a message comes up telling me that a verification code has been emailed to me and I must enter it within 90 seconds before it expires. The problem is for the last 2 months the verification code has been taking between 6 and 20 minutes to arrive. I sent a test email from another account to myself and that arrived promptly so I took it up with patienthub themselves. This was extremely difficult as I could not find an NHS department willing to put me through to patienthub,

After trying various avenues I eventually got a reply from a patient hub team member who said that they have had a lot of problems like this but only from people with an ntlworld email address. In fact they said they believed Virgin are not maintaining the old ntlworld addresses to the same standard. Could there be any truth in this? I have taken temporary measures to access my patienthub account but need to sort the problem with emails


  • benawhile wrote:

    they said they believed Virgin are not maintaining the old ntlworld addresses to the same standard. Could there be any truth in this?


    The fact is that VM stopped issuing new email accounts over 2 1/2 years ago and since then new VM broadband customers have not had the option of using a VM email account.

    More recently VM have started a program of deleting VM email accounts that are no longer linked to a live VM broadband account.

    At the moment VM still supports all Ntlworld.com, Blueyonder.co.uk, Virgin.net and Virginmedia.com email accounts that are part of a live VM broadband account. However, VM have made no announcement as to their future plans for theirVM email service.

    The issue with the late delivery of VM emails is has been reported on this forum quite a few times, affecting all the VM domains not just Ntlworld.

    In fact there is an easy way to see where to discover where the delay has occurred.  If you are interested I can post the instructions on how to do that.

    However, in many cases, it is usually down to the fact VM has deemed that email to be suspicious and have invoked a process called "greylisting" which involves temporarily rejecting the email back to the sender.

    If the sender is genuine they will try to send the email again and VM will then accept it as genuine. Scammers and spammers just ignore the fact the email has been sent back and take no further action which means the email just gets dropped. That greylisting process can take several minutes or even hours.

    As has been posted already your experience with these NHS emails should be a prompt for you to move over to  using an email account from a dedicated  email provider.

    Coenoby

  • Adduxi's avatar
    Adduxi
    Very Insightful Person

    The simplest thing would be to get a Gmail or other email account.  If you read all the threads in the Email section, it will become apparent the email services are only going one way.

  • jpeg1's avatar
    jpeg1
    Alessandro Volta

    It is no longer safe to rely on ntlworld emails.  Anyone still using them should move to a different service. 

  • coenoby's avatar
    coenoby
    Very Insightful Person

    benawhile wrote:

    they said they believed Virgin are not maintaining the old ntlworld addresses to the same standard. Could there be any truth in this?


    The fact is that VM stopped issuing new email accounts over 2 1/2 years ago and since then new VM broadband customers have not had the option of using a VM email account.

    More recently VM have started a program of deleting VM email accounts that are no longer linked to a live VM broadband account.

    At the moment VM still supports all Ntlworld.com, Blueyonder.co.uk, Virgin.net and Virginmedia.com email accounts that are part of a live VM broadband account. However, VM have made no announcement as to their future plans for theirVM email service.

    The issue with the late delivery of VM emails is has been reported on this forum quite a few times, affecting all the VM domains not just Ntlworld.

    In fact there is an easy way to see where to discover where the delay has occurred.  If you are interested I can post the instructions on how to do that.

    However, in many cases, it is usually down to the fact VM has deemed that email to be suspicious and have invoked a process called "greylisting" which involves temporarily rejecting the email back to the sender.

    If the sender is genuine they will try to send the email again and VM will then accept it as genuine. Scammers and spammers just ignore the fact the email has been sent back and take no further action which means the email just gets dropped. That greylisting process can take several minutes or even hours.

    As has been posted already your experience with these NHS emails should be a prompt for you to move over to  using an email account from a dedicated  email provider.

    Coenoby

  • Thank you all, I meant to give "helpful answer" to coenoby but didn't realise it can only go to one responder and it's too late to withdraw I think. So in the new year I will get all my emails backed up on Thunderbird and move to gmail, unless there are others? That will be a pain, I must have hundreds of accounts to change.

    • coenoby's avatar
      coenoby
      Very Insightful Person

      benawhile wrote:

      I will get all my emails backed up on Thunderbird and move to gmail, unless there are others?


      There are many others here are few to think about https://www.howtogeek.com.best-free-email-accounts-ranked/ 

      That will be a pain, I must have hundreds of accounts to change.

      The secret is to prioritise, for example the NHS one maybe the best one to start off with but here may also be others that you have had problems with. Then simply work through the others at your own pace.

      Coenoby