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madmanx
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2 years ago

Virgin upgrade works has messed up power levels

Hi had some work on my local network done today as it says it was doing upgrade work to improve the services, 

But after being down for half the day when the hub came back online I saw the power levels are way out if sync now. The downstream before was between 0 and 3dbmv and the upstream dbmv was about 38 dmbv, now the downstream is +10 dbmv and the upstream is now around 34dbmv, do I need an engineer to fix it? I have a 6db forward path attenuater fitted at back of hub which i could change to a 10db forward path attenuator to bring down the downstream power levels but its the upstream I'm concerned about as its only 34dbmv?

Have I a problem now?

 

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Downstream bonded channels

Channel Frequency (Hz) Power (dBmV) SNR (dB) Modulation Channel ID
11387500009.838256 qam1
21467500009.538256 qam2
31547500009.538256 qam3
41627500009.538256 qam4
51707500009.638256 qam5
61787500009.538256 qam6
71867500009.538256 qam7
81947500009.638256 qam8
92027500009.638256 qam9
102107500009.538256 qam10
112187500009.638256 qam11
122267500009.638256 qam12
132347500009.838256 qam13
142427500009.638256 qam14
152507500009.838256 qam15
162587500009.838256 qam16
172667500001038256 qam17
182747500009.838256 qam18
192827500009.838256 qam19
202907500009.838256 qam20
212987500001038256 qam21
223067500001038256 qam22
233147500001038256 qam23
2432275000010.138256 qam24


Downstream bonded channels

Channel Locked Status RxMER (dB) Pre RS Errors Post RS Errors
1Locked38.960
2Locked38.660
3Locked38.660
4Locked38.950
5Locked38.670
6Locked38.650
7Locked38.6180
8Locked38.9150
9Locked38.950
10Locked38.960
11Locked38.640
12Locked38.970
13Locked38.950
14Locked38.950
15Locked38.940
16Locked38.650
17Locked38.660
18Locked38.640
19Locked38.950
20Locked38.960
21Locked38.660
22Locked38.950
23Locked38.950
24Locked38.950

79 Replies

  • Drop in modulation impacts everyone on the node. Unlikely to be caused by a single customer's submerged drop cable unless it's really marginal.

    No issues with downstream, would expect to see bursts of errors if the issue is with the drop.

    Longstanding issue looking at past posts that's gotten worse since whatever they did broke the upstream SNR. I have no idea why there's no-one working on this at VM: the upstream SNR issues should be obvious. 

    • madmanx's avatar
      madmanx
      Dialled in

      Hi ipfreely so how do I get virgin networks to look at the upstream snr? Does the field engineer have to report it to networks?or can forum team refer it to them from here?

      • Megan_L's avatar
        Megan_L
        Forum Team (Retired)

        Hi MadManx, 

        Thanks for using the Community Forums to get this ongoing issue with your services looked into, I am sorry if this has been causing some frustration 😥 

        I have checked your services on our side and can see some issues with your power levels again, however I understand this has already been investigated by a previous technician. 

        I know you have mentioned getting in touch with the Networks Team, however this can only be done by a technician - We're not able to reach out to them. 

        I can get another technician booked in to take a look at your levels if you wish, please let us know if this is something you'd like to book in.

        Thanks,

        Megan_L

  • Sephiroth's avatar
    Sephiroth
    Alessandro Volta

    How bad is that?  First line support cannot escalate to Networks with such an obvious case.  And why didn’t the first tech raise this to Networks?  You’re at the mercy of a broken system here.

    • madmanx's avatar
      madmanx
      Dialled in

      Hi seph me again lol, so basically the downstream was above 10db so I thought I'd take off the 6db attenuator (the rectangular one old type) and try the new technetix 10db attenuator (cylinder type) and see if it would lower the downstream. So I did that and it did lower the downstream to about 5db to 6db which seemed good however I checked the upstream levels and they have gone from 34db to 47db so I thought that can't be right it's jumped up over 10db I expected it to go up to 38db to 39db basically as downstream dropped by about 4db as obviously its gone from a 6db to a 10db so it went down by 4db which was expected but the upstream doesn't seem right to have jumped by that much, I expected it go up by 4db but it didn't so I took it off and put old 6db attenuator back on And now the upstream has dropped back down to 34.5 and downstream back at 10db again, I don't like these new attenuators virgin are using now seem small and not right compared to old rectangle ones, I thought that as its cold and upstream is lower that come hotter weather the upstream will rise even more potentially going into the 50s?, i don't know what to do if I should stay with 6db one and low upstream power and high downstream power and see how I go or put 10db attenuator back on, im not getting any post rs errors and thinkbroadband monitor is ok no packet loss so maybe i should leave it as it is, im puzzled by the upstream jumping up so much, should it increase that much? any thoughts on this? Any help be nice, I'm concerned by the upstream power levels being at 34.5, more than the 10db downstream levels which u have said is fine .if u guys say that the upstream power levels at 34.5db and 10db downstream are OK then fine I needn't worry...and won't bother with the 10db one.

  • Sephiroth's avatar
    Sephiroth
    Alessandro Volta

    The levels are fine as they stand.  You've introduced an EQUALISER which is why the upstream power has risen.  I've never liked equalisers, preferring the attenuator.  You can operate it with the attenuator or the equaliser and it'll all work, provided, of course, that there is no electrical breakdown in either component.

    • unisoft's avatar
      unisoft
      Knows their stuff

      If OP is on gig1 or hub5 using docsis 3.1, then equaliser is better than attenuator as the more sensitive signals of DocSis 3.1 are not impaired as all frequencies are not simply attenuated at the same level.

      If I read correctly, the upstream going from 34 to 47 is what you want! You should find the service better BUT if water is getting into the outside Toby box in pavement then that could cause comm problems and/or noise as well.... In layman terms upstream of 29 to 35 means the cab/cmts is screaming to the tuner in the hub to be heard. Sephiroth wrote a good article on this.

  • Thank u legacy1 and seph I will leave it as it is then..

  • Sephiroth's avatar
    Sephiroth
    Alessandro Volta

    I thank unisoft for the kind words.  However (!) an upstream power level between 29 & 35 dBmv means that the CMTS only needs that amount of power pushed from the hub to intelligibly receive data.  When initial ranging takes place, the power level at the hub starts off at the low mark and if the ranging message is not understood at the CMTS, the power level requested by the CMTS to the hub doubles (+3dB) and so on until an intelligible power level is reached.  I think my article covers this. https://community.virginmedia.com/t5/Networking-and-WiFi/POWER-LEVELS-amp-SNR-A-TECHNICAL-PRIMER-updated-October-2016/td-p/2271297