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peter90
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Scheme to offer free Hub 5 upgrades. Status?

oes anyone know what the current status of the project to offer free upgrades to Hub 5 is?

 

In October of last year (2025) Virgin Media (specifically Gareth Lister the Director of Connectivity) promised that people not on Hub 5 will be offered an upgrade at no cost.

From the press release: https://news.virginmediao2.co.uk/virgin-media-o2-begins-upgrading-customers-to-the-wifi-hub-5-for-free/

"Virgin Media customers across the UK will be offered the chance to upgrade to a WiFi Hub 5 at no extra cost. "

"Gareth Lister, Director of Connectivity at Virgin Media O2 said: “Providing our customers with the very best broadband experience sits at the heart of Virgin Media O2. As our technology and products evolve, we’re committed to making it easier than ever for our customers to enjoy them. Not only will this upgrade benefit thousands of customers’ connectivity by enhancing their coverage, it will also future-proof their broadband services for new innovations to come.”   

It said thousands would  be offered the upgrade in 2025, and the scheme would be expanded in 2026.

How is it going? Is there any information about how soon a Hub 3 user might expect to be offered this free upgrade? Has anyone reading this forum been upgraded?

Can Virgin forum staff please comment.

  • I believe that the only old hubs remaining are the hub 3 and hub 4, so it may seem odd to say "select customers" will be upgraded. However what this means is that the select customers are being chosen on the basis of numerous criteria such as area or service configuration. Later there will be other select customers as VM is doing this rollout in waves.

    Eligibility for upgrades is decided by network, provisioning and logistics systems, and is very likely automated. Neither VM forum staff nor call centre agents have access to future timetables and can’t manually request or schedule upgrades. When you become eligible the system triggers it automatically and sends you either a letter or email.

    So, you just have to wait your turn.

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    • peter90's avatar
      peter90
      On our wavelength

      Thanks, helpful suggestions. I remember watching that thread at the time. Neither techniques work for me nor my friend, who has been going round in circles with support for her ancient hub 3 and I was somewhat hoping this scheme might coincidentally come to her rescue. I've worked round my hub3 problems (I'm a fairly recent new customer) because I happened to have a router in a cupboard (TP-link) so putting the hub3 in modem mode sorted that out without me having to tear hair out getting support or obtaining extender pods. Anyway, I was just interested to see if that press release ended up going anywhere with an actual concrete rollout involving offering thousands of people upgrades. Congratulations to that one forum member who actually did get one! 

      • roy247's avatar
        roy247
        Hero

        Can't believe I am the only person who got a Hub 5 at the time of the offer. 

  • Client62's avatar
    Client62
    Alessandro Volta

    The recurrent Wi-Fi and DHCP failures of the Sept 2025 Hub 5 software update : 
    LG-RDK_11.6.2-2410.1 could be why it has all gone very quite.

    • Roger_Gooner's avatar
      Roger_Gooner
      Alessandro Volta

      Whilst some users have reported Wi-Fi and DHCP issues after the LG-RDK_11.6.2-2410.1 update there is zero evidence of widespread failures from public sources. Personally I've had none. And it's hard to believe that VM would have announced this upgrade to the hub 5 in October 2025 if it were bug-ridden.

      • newapollo's avatar
        newapollo
        Very Insightful Person

        Whilst some users have reported Wi-Fi and DHCP issues after the LG-RDK_11.6.2-2410.1 update there is zero evidence of widespread failures from public sources. Personally I've had none. And it's hard to believe that VM would have announced this upgrade to the hub 5 in October 2025 if it were bug-ridden.

        Roger_Gooner​ 

        I concur that the WifI/DHCP issues aren't as widespread as some people have indicated.

        My hub 5 is currently on LG-RDK_11.6.2-2410.1 and has been working on that version without any issues since 31st October 2025. 

        (timetable of changes on my hub 5 below)

        Software version LG-RDK_7.6.20-2306.5 17th May 2024
        Updated to LG-RDK_11.6.2-2410.1  28th September 2025
        Reverted back to  LG-RDK_7.6.20-2306.5 on 2nd October 2025.
        Updated to LG-RDK_11.6.2-2410.1 again on 17th October 2025
        Reverted back to LG-RDK_7.6.20-2306.5  again on 21st October 2025
        Upgraded to version:LG-RDK_11.6.2-2410.1 again 31st October 2025

  • Don't believe everything that is stated by VM - "recollections may vary" Free upgrade  as stated years ago =£40:00 for a Gig 1  customer since launch 

    Transcript from chatbot/agent -    "Hello, I understand you want to know when your hub will be upgraded to a Hub 5, and I’m happy to help with that. I’ll take a look at your account details and assist you accordingly so we can see exactly where things stand with your replacement.

    xyz, I would like to inform you that Hub 4 which you have now is completely compatible with the Gig1 broadband service. However if you're looking to get Hub 5 then it'll cost you £40. Let me know, should I proceed to order Hub 5 for you?

    xyz, I would like to inform you that Hub 4 which you have now is completely compatible with the Gig1 broadband service. However if you're looking to get Hub 5 then it'll cost you £40. Let me know, should I proceed to order Hub 5 for you?

    I can put £40: to better use such as like moving to another provider!

  • Mr_K's avatar
    Mr_K
    Knows their stuff

    If your current hub is working ok and giving the advertised speed, cant see a reason to change. A new hub won't increase speed whatever version is it is, and may come with new issues. VM 'upgrades' arent always an upgrade, certianly arent going by their tv boxes. Gone downhill from V6 to 360 to Stream, with less functionality each time, but described as 'upgrades'. 

     i.e if it ain't broke etc......

    • peter90's avatar
      peter90
      On our wavelength

      My hub is not working ok, nor is the hub of my friend on whose behalf I asked the question. They are both "broke" and both would benefit from being "fixed". 

      According to support there's nothing wrong with my hub (i.e. it is not "broken" broken). It just appears to be naturally (when operating "normally") fairly rubbish at giving reasonable WiFi coverage to my modestly sized house. A house that has previously been well covered by the default hubs provided by at first BT and more recently Sky. 

      I am tech savvy so at this moment my house is being given good WiFi connectivity by the TP-Link router I happened to have in a cupboard, and the hub3 is in modem mode doing a good job of giving me the advertised upload/download speeds.

      My friend is not so fortunate, is going round in circles trying to get support to help her with her very ancient hub3 that appears to be getting worse (but according to support is "working fine") and currently waiting for extender pods to arrive (which never seem to arrive). 

      Hence me being curious, on her behalf, as to whether she's got any realistic prospect of Virgin actually shipping her a hub5 so she can have a chance of seeing if her currently "broke" something becomes a "fixed" something.

      • John2021's avatar
        John2021
        Dialled in

        I have the same problem with my hub 3 and virgin say all is ok , not if I sit on my patio or parts of my back room , I got a pod off them for upstairs but told could not have another because all is ok as said above , small house , so distance is not the problem like you .

  • Roger_Gooner's avatar
    Roger_Gooner
    Alessandro Volta

    I believe that the only old hubs remaining are the hub 3 and hub 4, so it may seem odd to say "select customers" will be upgraded. However what this means is that the select customers are being chosen on the basis of numerous criteria such as area or service configuration. Later there will be other select customers as VM is doing this rollout in waves.

    Eligibility for upgrades is decided by network, provisioning and logistics systems, and is very likely automated. Neither VM forum staff nor call centre agents have access to future timetables and can’t manually request or schedule upgrades. When you become eligible the system triggers it automatically and sends you either a letter or email.

    So, you just have to wait your turn.

    • peter90's avatar
      peter90
      On our wavelength

      Yes, I expected something like this to be the case, and it's implied in the Press Release. My question was more about asking if Virgin Media are prepared to mention whether the roll-out is happening at any scale at the moment, or any clues such as "we are on track to complete offering upgrades by end of Summer of 2026" or "vast majority by end of 2026" or somesuch suitably vague hint of hope.

      I've worked in large corporations selling to the general public before and Press Releases would often be accompanied with scripts/answers to obvious questions that the press release is likely to elicit, and given to PR/customer operations/forum admins so they're equipped to cope with obvious follow-ons. But I suppose this approach of "remain totally silent and act as if the press release never happened" is also a choice.

      It seems unless and until Gareth Lister chooses to descend from his VM Director's Palace and once again bestow enlightening words of wisdom upon us mere mortals, that your reply may just as well be marked as the solution!

      I'll let my friend know to "wait your turn".

  • Client62's avatar
    Client62
    Alessandro Volta

    Another important consideration is working VM Hubs are capital equipment, retiring them when they are working normally is simply not good business.

    The upgrade upgrade upgrade mentality comes from mobile phones where regular replacement has become the expectation, if not the need. But it is super costly.

    • peter90's avatar
      peter90
      On our wavelength

      I have absolutely zero "upgrade upgrade upgrade" mentality.

      I wouldn't give my hub any thought whatsoever, and never have with any previous internet provider. Except, that from day one my hub 3 WiFi range was woeful. Comically bad. So that on its own forced me to think about it. Then, not long after becoming a customer Virgin Media chose for themselves to put out a press release in which Virgin Media decided for themselves to extoll the virtues of upgrading hubs. Not me. I didn't go looking for "upgrade upgrade upgrade", Virgin Media came to us telling us to want "upgrade".

      I couldn't care less what model hub I have as long as it does at least a good a job as the one provided by my previous provider.

      If Virgin Media don't want customers wondering where their upgrades are then it might be a good idea for Virgin Media not to put out press releases telling everyone that upgrading your hub is a good idea and something that they are looking forward to do for us. All as part of their voluntary idea.

      It's not the fault of the customer for then being curious about it.

      Re: the comment "retiring them when they are working normally is simply not good business" - sounds like something you might want to raise with Gareth Lister, Virgin Media's Director of Connectivity, the Virgin employee whose idea this appears to have been.

    • Benniepie's avatar
      Benniepie
      Tuning in

      Hub 3 and hub 4 have the Puma chipset which causes regular crashes. Both awful. It also doesn't help that the fastest Virgin Media connection speeds exceed 1gbps (Mine is 1.23gbps) and the Hub 5 is the only device which has 2.5gbps ethernet connectivity, therefore this Hub is the only device that allows you to use your device at the speed of your connection with modem mode. It's not about having the latest shiny gadget, it's about having a device that actually works. (ish - the Hub 5 is also a bag of spanners thanks to Virgin Media's rogue firmware). Virgin Media restrict 3rd party devices directly connecting to their network - it's not like you can go buy an alternative (unlike Germany where they changed the law to allow customers to do use their own cable modem/routers). 

  • Yes , someone put a comment on regards what I had said saying it will not increase speeds , not what I am after , it’s the range as you say , it’s not good .

    • legacy1's avatar
      legacy1
      Alessandro Volta

      The wifi will not be any better the newer hubs and is not  the reason you should want one as VM really don't care about your wifi.

      You should look to get your own 3rd party wifi router and use hub in modem mode like this one.

      TP-Link Archer BE3600 Router WiFi 7 BE3600Mbps, WiFi Router, 2.5G Ports, USB 3.0 Port, Maximized Coverage, VPN Router, Internet Booster Routers, WiFi Booster, HomeShield Security, Easy Setup,EasyMesh : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories

      • peter90's avatar
        peter90
        On our wavelength

        This is simply wrong. From the very Press Release given in the original post of this thread, Virgin Media state in a bullet point:

        "The upgrade will unlock enhanced coverage for around the home "

        They are specifically boasting that hub 5 has better home coverage than prior models.

        Also, on their general website Virgin state clearly that hubs 4 and 5 have improved WiFi performance over their predecessors.  Virgin publish a table showing the differences between hubs 3,4 and 5 which clearly shows that 4's and 5's have better WiFi technology than hub3s. I.e. 7 antannae, 2 more than the 5 in hub3. 3x3 instead of 2x2 in the 2.4Ghz transmitter and 4x4 instead of 3x3 for the 5Ghz. Hub5 supports ax WiFi standard - in other words, WiFi6.

        https://www.broadbandanalyst.co.uk/articles/virgin-media-router-upgrade-hub4-hub5/

        It's not correct to say that hub3 users should expect no improvement to WiFi coverage by upgrading to a hub4 or hub5. There is every possibility they might.

        Of course, people comfortable with tech and the cash to buy one could improve their WiFi by purchasing their own router as you suggest - in fact I have done precisely that. But it's comical in this day and age for ISPs to be shipping routers that can't adequately cope inside typical modest sized British two storey, terraced houses.

  • Based on the conversation I just had with a virgin customer service person this seems to have been an outright LIE. I am on hub 4 have been since lock down. I have top tier Internet package and have had from that time. I was basically told, tough, not happening not even a reason why just totally avoided the subject and fobbed me off with new pod. I am paying loads for 1GB and I cant use it to fullest. I work from home 50/50 so really need it. 

    So for me it seems to be an empty promise. Wouldn't mind but been with virgin since telewest days. No loyalty rewards at all. If I'd been with sky that long I would get a visit from Idris Elba😁😁

    • peter90's avatar
      peter90
      On our wavelength

      I understand your feelings. I'm only paying for the lowest speed and think its a bit comical that the WiFi in the hub is rubbish. If I was paying for 1GB and getting bad WiFI I'd be very unhappy. In my case I've got a TP-Link router which has very good WiFi and is vastly better for me than having extenders/pods. So I've effectively paid to solve the problem (but not Virgin). But I don't blame anyone who feels that Virgin really should be moving faster. It's 2026! Trying to persuade people that decent WiFi can only be solved by paying much more per month for faster download speed is very shady practice in my view.

      If this scheme is actively under way in any meaningful sense then Virgin are doing a good job of keeping that top secret. Customer Services haven't been given scripts about it and the mods here are tight lipped.

      A thread from a couple of days ago showed that (at least one) hub2 customers are only just now getting emails offering an upgrade (in that case to hub4). That scheme (upgrade all hub1 & hub2) was announced in April 2025. Is it possible they are holding back on the hub3/4->hub5 scheme until the hub1/2 upgrade scheme is more complete?

      If I lived in a huge or problematic house then I'd be more forgiving. But I don't. And I know that bog standard routers from Sky and BT are have much better WiFi than hub3.