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HergestPhil's avatar
HergestPhil
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11 months ago

Re: On-going Complaint - IP different location

I am having the same issue. I discovered last night that my assigned IP address had changed, and https://whatismyipaddress.com/ indicates that this IP address is associated with Liverpool.

When I run Speedtests, it chooses servers around Liverpool, rather than the London based ones I used to get.

It seems my packets are being routed through a gateway in Liverpool, as I get better latency pings when I select servers there, rather than servers that are local to me.

I believe this is causing increased lag in online games.  Websites looking up my location based on IP address believe I am in Liverpool, not Farnborough, Hampshire.

Everything was fine a week ago, but it's changed for the worse, and I dread having to go through many hours of useless "technical help" on the customer support line.

I've tried resetting the Hub 3, etc.

  • Sephiroth's avatar
    Sephiroth
    Alessandro Volta

    NOT Alessandro is right. VM is innocent and you’ll never get a resolution other than by luck. There are too many players in this, all advertising different locations for your IP address. So it can’t be VM’s fault. 

  • No, it must be VMs issue to resolve.  It's not my data that is the issue, it is their infrastructure and the changes they have made to IP address allocation.  It was working before they made a change, and now it doesn't work and causing me issues.  They could provide another new IP address that works, or reach out to the relevant GeoIP company.  I don't know who that is.

    For those that say it doesn't matter, it does.  I have had banking transactions rejected as suspicious, activity related to my account in Liverpool, requiring additional verification that it is really me.

    • Tudor's avatar
      Tudor
      Very Insightful Person

      It is NOT VMs problem. Where in the T&C does it state you will be given an IP address that points to your location. 

    • ravenstar68's avatar
      ravenstar68
      Very Insightful Person

      The IP address works fine, it's just your understanding of who is responsible for what that's flawed.

      NO residential IP guarantees a user a fixed IPv4 address.  All residential addresses are allocated using DHCP.  whether an IP changes or appears fixed depends on how a company chooses to implement DHCP accross their network.

      Virgin's IP's appear fixed because they appear to have one DHCP server managing a network segment (from what I could tell).  Whilst it's not uncommon for their IP's to remain constant for months or years, but if theyneed to do a network re-segmentation, or send out new hardware then your IP address changes, end of.

      I'm currently with BT - I was forced to move to an area without Virgin Media due to personal circumstances.  BT appear to have about 3 DHCP servers looking after my network segment.  As such every so often my IPv4 and IPv6 addresses change between about 3 different ranges (Although the IPv6 does fall within the same allocated /56)

      When I am in my current range, my GeoIP puts me in London instead of Inverness.  Not once have I been locked out of my banking or Facebook due to these changes.  Why, because companies like Facebook or the Banks know that IP addresses can change.

      Incidentally I use 2FA on my Microsoft accounts and also I can get asked to verify my login.  On occasions the verification sites get my GeoIP wrong.  One login put me as logging in from Middlesborough, however because I am aware that GeoIP is not perfect, I simply check the time and the Browser/OS I was using (if the latter is available).

      I did once have to reach out to the GeoIP providers when I was using an IPv6 tunnel from Hurricane Electric whilst on Virgin Media.

      Because HE was based in California, both Facebook and Netflix had me logging in from there.  This was causing me problems with Netflix, which were ultimately corrected by my reaching out, until Netflix decided to treat IPv6 tunnels the same way as VPNs - but that's a whole different story.

      One of the skills of IT support is knowing who is responsible for what.  You can't fix everything, because some things don't come under your companies remit.  Sometimes to help someone get their problem fixed - you have to point them in the right direction so that they can get their problem solved by the right people.

      In this case, this is not VM's problem to solve.  Their IT is working as intended.  You can stick your fingers in your ears and continue to blame Virgin if you'd like - it's not going to resolve this issue.

      Tim

  • For what it's worth I had already contacted IP2location to request a correction of location for my IP address, and the reply was "the range will be updated in the future release" (whenever that will be, who knows).  I've waited a while, and not seen any change, I don't know when to expect a change.

    The IPData provider has a web form to request a change.  But when I try to access this I get a note: "To correct the geolocation of IP addresses that you own or operate, please send a geofeed to support@ipdata.co. Note that we do not currently make corrections for individual IP addresses."  Suggests that I can't request my individual IP address correction, but I don't know what the range is, or if others in the range are allocated to other places in the country; I don't understand how it works, this is why it feels wrong for me to be requesting it.  What's to stop any individual messing up the Geolocation of someone elses IP address.  How are update requests validated?