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Nednats
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30 days ago

Hub 5 stuck on DOCSIS 3.0 – Ranging Failures, High Upstream Power, DOCSIS 3.1 Not Engaging

I’m having ongoing issues with my Virgin Media Gig1 connection. Although I’m using a Hub 5, the modem consistently fails to register on DOCSIS 3.1 and falls back to DOCSIS 3.0 after rebooting. This is accompanied by performance instability, occasional packet loss, and errors in the modem logs.

I’ve already:

  • Had the Hub reprovisioned by VM support,
  • Performed full pinhole resets and reboots,
  • Eliminated internal factors (tested with a single device on Ethernet, no VLANs or custom networking),
  • Checked that all coaxial cabling and splitters are secure.

Despite this, the issue persists — and support continues to send boilerplate instructions or suggest a Hub swap, neither of which addresses the real cause.

 

Symptoms:

  • Upstream transmit power: consistently at ~52 dBmV
  • DOCSIS 3.1 channels: detected but not fully locking
  • Repeated modem log entries including:
    • RNG-RSP CCAP Commanded Power in Excess of 6 dB Below DRW
    • T3/T4 ranging timeouts
    • No Unicast Maintenance opportunities received
    • DHCP WARNING – Non-critical field invalid in response

I’ve also monitored performance using ThinkBroadband BQM and observed clear packet loss and latency spikes aligning with the modem errors.

 

Request:

Please can this be reviewed and, if appropriate, escalated to your network or provisioning team? I am happy to accept a technician visit if the purpose is to check the external line or cabinet, but I want to avoid unnecessary in-home diagnostics, which have already been completed.

30 Replies

  • legacy1's avatar
    legacy1
    Alessandro Volta

    So how do you know your not on Docsis 3.1? because I'm confused too

    In Status it shows I'm in type docsis 3.0 but can see docsis 3.1 channels listed then in Configuration for Docsis mode is shows 3.1

     

    • Nednats's avatar
      Nednats
      Just browsing

      That’s a great question and honestly, it’s a bit confusing by design.

      Just because your Hub shows DOCSIS 3.1 channels available or “locked” in the status page doesn’t necessarily mean your connection is actively using DOCSIS 3.1.

      Here’s a quick breakdown:

      • DOCSIS 3.1 channels can appear listed or even "locked", but your modem may still be operating in DOCSIS 3.0 mode if there's an issue with signal quality, provisioning, or upstream compatibility.
      • In the status page, the “Cable Modem Status” or “Primary Downstream Channel” line will often say "DOCSIS 3.0" even when 3.1 is present that’s because it’s falling back to using 3.0 for actual data transport.
      • You can sometimes tell from the logs errors like RNG-RSP, T3 timeouts, or No Unicast Maintenance opportunities suggest that DOCSIS 3.1 tried to engage but failed.
      • The Configuration tab will often show “DOCSIS Mode: 3.1” regardless — that just means the modem supports DOCSIS 3.1, not that it’s currently using it.

      The only definitive way to know if your line is actively running in DOCSIS 3.1 is:

      1. If the modem status shows “DOCSIS 3.1” as the operational mode after startup, and
      2. If you're using an OFDM (3.1) downstream and OFDMA (3.1) upstream profile, without it reverting.

      In my case, it keeps reverting to 3.0 due to upstream power levels and ranging errors.

      Hope that helps clarify!

      • legacy1's avatar
        legacy1
        Alessandro Volta

        So could VM only let you go Docsis 3.1 if your on 1Gb but lower speeds Docsis 3.0?

        your on 1Gb? I'm not

  • Client62's avatar
    Client62
    Alessandro Volta

    Have you checked on line and on the phone to see if there is a known fault in your street ? 

    • Nednats's avatar
      Nednats
      Just browsing

      Yes. I have even had support run a line check and been told nothing is wrong. I explained the error logs but get ignored. 52 dBmV upstream is out of spec.

  • Tudor's avatar
    Tudor
    Very Insightful Person

    With upstream power that high I can understand 3.1 not connecting. The cause of this can be 1) you are a long way from street cabinet, moving to another tap on the cabinet may fix, 2) bad coax, 3) on wrong tap, 4) failing amplifier in street cabinet. All these require a technicians visit.

    • Nednats's avatar
      Nednats
      Just browsing

      While I agree that upstream power at 52 dBmV could point to physical issues, such as tap alignment or a failing amplifier in the cabinet, it's equally possible that this is a provisioning or CMTS configuration issue further upstream.

      Given that DOCSIS 3.1 channels are present but not being utilised, and the Hub consistently falls back to DOCSIS 3.0 even after reprovisioning, it suggests a potential misconfiguration involving the upstream OFDMA profile, signal windows, or modem registration.

      I'm happy to accept a technician visit, but the focus must be on signal alignment and CMTS-side provisioning, not simply replacing hardware or checking internal connections again.

      Throughout this process, Virgin Media support has repeatedly blamed internal issues including unsupported claims that my local network setup was to blame, or that the Hub should be replaced, despite clear diagnostics pointing to a line or network-level fault. These repeated misdirections have delayed proper investigation.

      I have now requested that this be escalated beyond Tier 1 and treated as a potential cabinet-side or provisioning issue, not an in-home or equipment fault.

       

       

      • gitty's avatar
        gitty
        Joining in

        It is not "falling back" to 3.0, because your primary channel is not 3.1. The one has nothing to do with the other.

  • Client62's avatar
    Client62
    Alessandro Volta

    We lack sight of the contents of the Hub's Downstream and Upstream status tabs.

    Can the text from these be copy / pasted into the thread ?

    • Nednats's avatar
      Nednats
      Just browsing

      DOCSIS Status Summary:

      • DOCSIS mode: 3.1 (configuration tab shows DOCSIS 3.1)
      • Cable modem status: Online – DOCSIS 3.0
      • Downstream channels: 31 DOCSIS 3.0 channels locked (QAM256, SNR 40–41 dB)
      • Upstream channels: 5 DOCSIS 3.0 (QAM64, Power 51.5–52.3 dBmV), 1 DOCSIS 3.1 (OFDMA at 47.5 dBmV)

      DOCSIS 3.1 Channel Info:

      • Downstream 3.1 Channel 37: Locked, 94 MHz width, QAM4096, RxMER 39 dB
      • Upstream 3.1 Channel 10: 10.4 MHz width, QAM256, FFT 2K, OFDMA, 208 subcarriers

      Example Logs:

      • RNG-RSP power errors: “Commanded Power in Excess of 6 dB Below DRW”
      • Repeated: T3/T4 timeouts, DHCP warnings, No Maintenance Broadcasts

      3.0 Downstream channels

      DOCSIS 3.0 Downstream Channels

      Ch

      Frequency (MHz)

      Power (dBmV)

      SNR (dB)

      Pre RS Errors

      Post RS Errors

      1

      162

      3.8

      41

      269

      1

      2

      138

      4.0

      41

      747

      18

      3

      146

      4.1

      41

      467

      2

      4

      154

      4.1

      41

      259

      0

      5

      170

      2.8

      40

      374

      29

      6

      178

      4.0

      41

      145

      0

      7

      186

      4.2

      41

      148

      0

      8

      194

      4.4

      41

      54

      0

      9

      202

      4.4

      41

      152

      0

      10

      210

      4.6

      41

      159

      0

      11

      218

      4.6

      41

      162

      0

      12

      226

      4.5

      41

      25

      0

      13

      234

      4.6

      41

      180

      1

      14

      242

      4.3

      41

      294

      10

      15

      250

      4.1

      41

      196

      102

      16

      258

      4.0

      41

      97

      7

      17

      266

      4.1

      41

      6

      0

      18

      274

      4.2

      41

      0

      0

      19

      322

      4.0

      41

      3

      0

      20

      330

      3.6

      41

      12

      0

      21

      338

      3.8

      40

      74

      0

      22

      346

      3.8

      41

      45

      0

      23

      354

      3.8

      41

      8

      0

      24

      362

      3.8

      41

      6

      0

      25

      370

      3.6

      41

      19

      0

      26

      378

      3.4

      41

      10

      0

      27

      386

      3.2

      40

      9

      0

      28

      394

      3.1

      40

      6

      0

      29

      402

      3.3

      40

      15

      0

      30

      410

      3.3

      40

      22

      0

      31

      418

      3.2

      40

      20

      0

      DOCSIS 3.1 Downstream (OFDM)

      Channel

      Width (MHz)

      RxMER (dB)

      PLC Power (dBmV)

      Modulation

      Corrected Errors

      Uncorrectable Errors

      37

      94

      39

      0.8

      QAM 4096

      1,101,784,885

      2

      DOCSIS 3.0 Upstream Channels

      Ch

      Frequency (MHz)

      Power (dBmV)

      Modulation

      T1 Timeouts

      T2 Timeouts

      T3 Timeouts

      T4 Timeouts

      0

      49.6

      52.3

      QAM 64

      0

      0

      0

      0

      1

      43.1

      52.0

      QAM 64

      0

      0

      0

      0

      2

      36.6

      51.8

      QAM 64

      0

      0

      0

      0

      3

      30.1

      51.8

      QAM 64

      0

      0

      0

      0

      4

      23.6

      51.5

      QAM 64

      0

      0

      0

       

      DOCSIS 3.1 Upstream (OFDMA)

      Channel

      Width (MHz)

      Power (dBmV)

      Modulation

      T3 Timeouts

      T4 Timeouts

      10

      10.4

      47.5

      QAM 256

      0

      0

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

    • Nednats's avatar
      Nednats
      Just browsing

      Sure — here’s a representative sample from the modem logs on July 11, which I included in my complaint to VM. These aren’t isolated entries — this type of error pattern repeats frequently:

      14:24:55 – RNG-RSP CCAP Commanded Power in Excess of 6 dB Below the Value

      14:24:36 – No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out

      14:24:26 – No Maintenance Broadcasts for Ranging opportunities received - T2 time-out

      14:24:06 – Received Response to Broadcast Maintenance Request, But no Unicast Maintenance opportunities received - T4 time out

      These are all upstream provisioning or signal faults — not typical user-side problems. They also correlate with performance drops.

      For further context, here’s my ThinkBroadband BQM graph for the same date — you can clearly see the packet loss and jitter spikes that align with the logs:

      Sorry for just posting log extracts — I didn’t want to overload the post with pages of logs.

      • gitty's avatar
        gitty
        Joining in

        It seems evident that something is wrong with the signal path between your modem and the node. However, this is not about 3.0 vs 3.1 vs the modem is being provisioned incorrectly. :)

  • Nednats's avatar
    Nednats
    Just browsing

    Just a quick follow-up in case anyone missed this — I’m still experiencing the same issues (high upstream power, T3/T4 errors, no DOCSIS 3.1 lock), and Virgin have yet to offer a resolution beyond the standard hub swap and internal wiring checks.

    If anyone has further insight or has had similar problems that were ultimately resolved (especially where a cabinet or CMTS issue was the root cause), I’d really appreciate hearing about your experience.

    Thanks again to everyone who’s contributed so far — your suggestions have been incredibly helpful.

  • Nednats's avatar
    Nednats
    Just browsing

    Here’s the latest BQM from yesterday. No reboots or dropouts, but latency remains consistently high with regular spikes and some minor packet loss.  The connection is more stable overall, but still not where it should be. Interested if anyone else sees similar patterns or has had luck getting this addressed by VM.

     

    • Daniel_Et's avatar
      Daniel_Et
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      Hi Nednats 👋 Thank you for your posts and welcome to the Virgin Media Community 🙂

      We're sorry to hear about the issues you've been having 😔 How have things been since you posted?

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      • Nednats's avatar
        Nednats
        Just browsing

        Thanks for the response, but I’ve already gone through the full set of basic troubleshooting steps, including wired-only testing, pinhole resets, reboots, and equipment verification.

        The issue here is not with Wi-Fi, nor is it a matter of internal cabling — I’ve documented upstream power readings exceeding 52 dBmV, repeated T3/T4 errors, and DOCSIS 3.1 upstream failures with fallback to 3.0.

        Please escalate this to the network or field team, as the evidence points to a cabinet or provisioning-level fault. I would appreciate a response that engages with the technical detail rather than repeating Tier 1-level advice

  • Nednats's avatar
    Nednats
    Just browsing

    Just wanted to provide a brief update it’s now been two weeks since I originally post. Since then:

    • The complaint regarding my broadband issue was wrongly closed without resolution or my agreement.

    •  Attempts to reopen it via the online complaints form were automatically closed within minutes.

    • I've contacted Virgin Media again, and separately raised the matter with their executive team due to concerns about how complaints are being handled.

    • My connection remains stable but latency is still high and DOCSIS 3.1 upstream is still not functioning correctly. Logs and BQM data continue to show issues.

    I appreciate the suggestions and input from others on this thread so far. Still hoping this can be properly investigated without going in circles.

  • Nednats's avatar
    Nednats
    Just browsing

    Quick update from my side:

    Virgin finally acknowledged my broadband complaint and it’s now with their Executive Team and I now have a fault reference number. Still seeing high upstream power and intermittent issues, but hoping this will now be looked at properly, instead of being fobbed off with Wi-Fi tips or hub swaps. I’ll keep tracking it with BQM and logs and post updates. For anyone else dealing with similar upstream/DOCSIS problems — keep pushing. Escalate if you need to. You’re not alone.