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littlekubo's avatar
littlekubo
Settling in
3 days ago

Hub 3 and Smart Home devices

To resolve issues with the strength of the signal in my flat, I purchased a TP-Link extender, and everything was fine, as I set its own SSID for smart home devices, primarily the weather station, as the core of my system.

Issues started when I got 256 Kbps on a LAN cable to my PC instead of the 133 Mbps I was paying for. The factory restart of the Hub did not help at all, and the technician from VM had to arrive. He asked me to disconnect the TP-Link device, and we saw the speed getting where it should be.

I was given two Wi-Fi pods to ensure full speed everywhere. A new set of problems started. My weather station supports only a 2.4 GHz connection. I went to the Hub's settings, changed the SSID for the 2.4 band differently, and connected the station and other smart devices. The VM Connect app on my phone demanded merging bands back, which disconnected my devices.

I set only 2.4 from the Hub, but my phone will not connect. The idea was to reconnect devices, allow 5 GHz back and have a happy life.

How to sort this out - to have full speed everywhere and only a single SSID for both bands?

 

TIA

13 Replies

  • Client62's avatar
    Client62
    Alessandro Volta

    Did you have the TP-Link extender connected to both the VM Hub's Wi-Fi and cable connected to the VM Hub's network socket ?

    If Yes : this could cause a network loop and a network flood.

  • I had an extender and a cable for a few months, and it was no problem on the PC. It started just recently.

    Even after the visit of the VM technician and having the WiFi pods supplied by VM, it is not sorted. Low speed on cable - can listen to a podcast with static image and only with audio on YT without severe lagging. The real speed from SamKnows is 53 Mbps.

    On 5 GHz Wi-Fi, it's even worse: lagging, buffering, and when I try remote access to the cloud, I'm kicked for unstable speed. I checked for malware or whether the firewall introduced its own rule. Nothing. Sometimes, after 7 p.m., the speed improves. But I pay for 24/7 internet and not for evening like in 2004, with performance not being different. 

    Is this due to two SSIDs from the Hub 3? How would a VM technician connect my smarthome, and can I even call one to do it?

    I would consider purchasing a router as the last option, and I appreciate the links you sent. 

  • Client62's avatar
    Client62
    Alessandro Volta

    As you have a split the Hub's SSID, the VM Pods are now a dimension of your problem.

    If you require to have a split SSID - retire and return the VM Pods.

    The VM Pods expect the VM Hub to have Smart Wi-Fi enabled, i.e. a shared SSID, Auto Channels and shared credentials for the 2.4 and 5 GHz bands.

    With the VM Hub set to a split SSID, the VM Pods will only connect on one band, if they operate at all.   In your case the comment speed from SamKnows is 53 Mbps suggests the VM Pods are on the slower but longer range 2.4Ghz band.


    This is a retail Wi-Fi repeater that can operate with shared or split SSID :- 

    https://www.toolstation.com/tp-link-wi-fi-range-extender/p52846 


    • legacy1's avatar
      legacy1
      Alessandro Volta

      Are you really trying to NOT to have anyone use modem mode and a better router?

      If you read the OP post they have tried TP-Link extender these are useless with the hubs

      • Client62's avatar
        Client62
        Alessandro Volta

        I don't give a rats what devices people use.

        I am hesitant to suggest a person buys a router with out any explanation of what it is, how it will need to be configured, the full implications and so on. 

  • Tudor's avatar
    Tudor
    Very Insightful Person

    VM just want users to use their equipment in ‘vanilla’ mode. These days users are getting more and more networking equipment especially IoT devices that use the minimum WiFi protocols they can get away with. These just do not work with combined SSIDs. My router manufacturer, Ubiquiti, strongly advises uses to use a dedicated SSID for all IoT devices with lots of normal parameters turned off or not enabled and if possible a dedicated VLAN. This is what I have in my set up and it works very well. Not all manufacturers allow many SSIDs on their devices, but the Wireless Access Points I am now using allow for 8 SSIDs per radio, that 24 in total for my WiFi 7 one. 

  • I’m confused.

    I’m looking for an answer to how 99% of VM customers who never open the Hub settings from the IP address connect their smart home devices using only 2.4 GHz.

    A VM employee named my issue TP extender, and it was confirmed here that using Ethernet and Wi-Fi could cause it.

    I prefer to remain an average customer who taps on app prompts to set up a smart home rather than start networking with an extra router when I lack the necessary knowledge and networking to make it sufficiently.

  • Client62's avatar
    Client62
    Alessandro Volta

    Many customers grumble they can't setup their IoT via the provided app.

    I do get the impression several management apps are failing to work when the mobile / tablet has connected to the 5GHz band but the IoT has to use the 2.4GHz band. With the range of VM Hub as very wide range of IoTs, the reasons for this may be multiple.

    A number customers have disabled 5GHz Wi-Fi for a period to force their mobile onto the 2.4GHz band and have succeeded in configuring their devices.

    • littlekubo's avatar
      littlekubo
      Settling in

      Thank you.

      So it is on Apple to explain why iPhone and iPad do not connect to 2.4 GHz if it is only band allowed in time of connecting devices.

      • Client62's avatar
        Client62
        Alessandro Volta

        Our Apple devices do connect to the 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi band.

        Check the 2.4GHz Security is set to WPA2-PSK only on the VM Hub.

        Check the 2.4GHz Channel is either 1 or 6 or 11