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df1800
Joining in
25 days ago

Another thread on packet loss

After moving house in May, our connection in the new house hasn't been good enough, and nothing like it was at the old place.     

Several of us in the house work from home, mostly using Teams and Zoom, and a handful of times every day the connection drops for long enough for Teams to freeze and throw the low network quality warning, and you have to repeat the last things that were said!

We're all hard wired so it's not WiFi as we don't have wifi enabled, and we're in modem mode to try and rule out issues with the hub.

My TBB graph on the old connection was virtually flat, with latency well below 10ms.  

Customer services of course say there's nothing wrong, and that it must be to do with the wifi.....(which they can't get their heads around that it's not enabled!) 

Is there anything in the logs below that I can push back at them, as it's becoming unusable. 

 

 

Downstream bonded channels

ChannelFrequency (Hz)Power (dBmV)SNR (dB)ModulationChannel ID
1226750000-138256 qam12
2218750000-0.438256 qam11
3234750000-0.238256 qam13
42427500000.538256 qam14
52507500000.438256 qam15
6258750000038256 qam16
7266750000038256 qam17
8274750000-138256 qam18
9282750000-1.938256 qam19
10290750000-1.938256 qam20
11298750000-138256 qam21
12306750000-1.938256 qam22
13314750000-138256 qam23
14322750000-0.938256 qam24
15330750000-138256 qam25
16338750000-238256 qam26
17346750000-2.538256 qam27
18354750000-338256 qam28
19362750000-2.238256 qam29
20370750000-2.238256 qam30
21378750000-238256 qam31
22386750000-2.238256 qam32
23394750000-1.538256 qam34
24402750000-1.438256 qam35



Downstream bonded channels

ChannelLocked StatusRxMER (dB)Pre RS ErrorsPost RS Errors
1Locked38.928911813
2Locked38.632355799
3Locked38.911008425
4Locked38.96450240
5Locked38.910408325
6Locked38.95654294
7Locked38.97259432
8Locked38.67211513
9Locked38.96558170
10Locked38.67872133
11Locked38.913423114
12Locked38.621207272
13Locked38.915551127
14Locked38.98706174
15Locked38.93999118
16Locked38.6311565
17Locked38.9442827
18Locked38.9890848
19Locked38.6521533
20Locked38.91128932
21Locked38.9305853
22Locked38.93298722
23Locked38.6261757
24Locked38.945140
 

Upstream bonded channels

ChannelFrequency (Hz)Power (dBmV)Symbol Rate (ksps)ModulationChannel ID
13660000049512064 qam8
22360000048512064 qam10
33010000048.5512064 qam9
44310000051512064 qam7
54960000050512064 qam6


Upstream bonded channels

ChannelChannel TypeT1 TimeoutsT2 TimeoutsT3 TimeoutsT4 Timeouts
1ATDMA0030
2ATDMA0040
3ATDMA0080
4ATDMA0060
5ATDMA0050

 

General Configuration

Network access

Allowed

Maximum Number of CPEs

1

Baseline Privacy

Enabled

DOCSIS Mode

Docsis30

Config file

cmreg-vmdg505-bbt062+voc-b.cm



Primary Downstream Service Flow

SFID88790
Max Traffic Rate402500089
Max Traffic Burst42600
Min Traffic Rate0



Primary Upstream Service Flow

SFID88789
Max Traffic Rate38500089
Max Traffic Burst42600
Min Traffic Rate0
Max Concatenated Burst42600
Scheduling TypeBestEffort

 

Network Log

TimePriorityDescription
18/08/2025 19:23:40Warning!RCS Partial Service;CM-MAC=XXXXXXXXXX;CMTS-MAC=XXXXXXXXXX;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.0;
16/08/2025 12:29:30criticalNo Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=XXXXXXXXXX;CMTS-MAC=XXXXXXXXXX;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.0;
16/08/2025 12:25:59Warning!RCS Partial Service;CM-MAC=XXXXXXXXXX;CMTS-MAC=XXXXXXXXXX;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.0;
16/08/2025 11:31:53criticalNo Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=XXXXXXXXXX;CMTS-MAC=XXXXXXXXXX;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.0;
16/08/2025 07:18:36ErrorDHCP RENEW WARNING - Field invalid in response v4 option;CM-MAC=XXXXXXXXXX;CMTS-MAC=XXXXXXXXXX;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.0;

 

12 Replies

  • legacy1's avatar
    legacy1
    Alessandro Volta

    The BQM is not the worst I've seen its unclear if them spikes are caused by you or the upstream in your area bad upstream power a bit high is unclear if that might be a cause.

    Its possible a hub 4 or 5 with Docsis 3.1 channels might help.

    • df1800's avatar
      df1800
      Joining in

      That is a baseline graph with no traffic on our side, so the spikes are what the connection is doing on its own, but even the slightest packet loss will cause Teams to drop.

      Another example from the 17th, with no traffic on our side with the connection at idle. 

      I've tried asking for a Hub 4, but they only want to give it away with the 1gig upgrade, and I'm not upgrading the speed if it's going to be just as unusable.    So far today I've had to tether to my mobile to get through a teams meeting without it constantly freezing.

      What should the US power be? (roughly)

       

       

      • Adduxi's avatar
        Adduxi
        Very Insightful Person

        What should the US power be? (roughly

        Rough guide DS -6 to +10 and US 34 to 51  PostRS errors should be zero or close to.  

  • Adduxi's avatar
    Adduxi
    Very Insightful Person

    Downstream power and Upstream power are both on the limit of spec.  DS could be higher and US lower.  Also there are too many PostRS errors, could be noise on the circuit? 
    Reboot the Hub and see if the PostRS errors continue to rise. If so a tech will need to fix this.

  • Yeah we've been through the whole reset it and wait for the errors to continue thing.

    I just can't seem to get anywhere with customer support, they're stuck in a script and a loop of reboot the hub and see if it improves.   It hasn't improved the last three times we've tried it.

    And it wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so hard to get through to someone! 

    We've already checked all the connectors along along whole length of cable we can access, there's no other splitters or attenuators, the isolator on the wall outside, and the one they now heatshrink into the cable itself at the hub. 

     

    Looks like I'm going back to customer support to hold for another hour!

  • I used to make ethernet cables for a living and certify them.   It's not the port or the cable.  This is more than likely either at the tap or interference in the coax.  

    • Kath_P's avatar
      Kath_P
      Icon for Forum Team rankForum Team

      Hi df1800, 

      Thanks for your post and a big welcome to the Community. It's great having you on board with us. ✨

      We're sorry to hear you're having an issue with your connection. We'd love to take a look in to things but have been unable to locate you on our systems using your forum credentials. 🙁 We will need to confirm some information with you in order for us to proceed with checks. 

      I have sent you a direct message to allow us to do this with you in a private space. Just click on the little ✉ at the top right-hand side of the page to access your inbox. :)

      Thanks,

  • OK so engineer visit complete yesterday, so it's been 24hours since new connectors on the cabinet end, and at the boundary of the property as they were both corroded, and he moved us onto a new tap because it was also corroded at the cabinet. 

    No need for attenuation, but levels now within spec. 

     

    It's better... but even with virtually no network load our side, it's still very spiky.   I'd hoped some of these peaks would have dropped off.  Todays packet loss just before 9am jammed up my teams call again, so basically no change. 

     

    Downstream bonded channels

    ChannelFrequency (Hz)Power (dBmV)SNR (dB)ModulationChannel ID
    11387500007.538256 qam1
    21467500007.338256 qam2
    3154750000738256 qam3
    41627500006.338256 qam4
    51707500005.538256 qam5
    6178750000738256 qam6
    7186750000738256 qam7
    81947500006.838256 qam8
    92027500007.440256 qam9
    10210750000738256 qam10
    112187500007.338256 qam11
    122267500006.938256 qam12
    132347500007.438256 qam13
    14242750000840256 qam14
    152507500008.140256 qam15
    162587500007.640256 qam16
    172667500007.938256 qam17
    182747500006.538256 qam18
    19378750000640256 qam31
    203867500005.940256 qam32
    213947500006.138256 qam34
    22402750000640256 qam35
    234107500006.138256 qam36
    24418750000538256 qam37



    Downstream bonded channels

    ChannelLocked StatusRxMER (dB)Pre RS ErrorsPost RS Errors
    1Locked38.670
    2Locked38.6170
    3Locked38.9240
    4Locked38.6100
    5Locked38.920
    6Locked38.970
    7Locked38.9100
    8Locked38.9300
    9Locked40.3240
    10Locked38.9220
    11Locked38.660
    12Locked38.900
    13Locked38.940
    14Locked40.360
    15Locked40.350
    16Locked40.900
    17Locked38.900
    18Locked38.600
    19Locked40.350
    20Locked40.300
    21Locked38.960
    22Locked40.300
    23Locked38.950
    24Locked38.900

     

    Upstream bonded channels

    ChannelFrequency (Hz)Power (dBmV)Symbol Rate (ksps)ModulationChannel ID
    13660000040.8512064 qam8
    23010000041.5512064 qam9
    34310000043.3512064 qam7
    44960000043512064 qam6
    52360000040.3512064 qam10



    Upstream bonded channels

    ChannelChannel TypeT1 TimeoutsT2 TimeoutsT3 TimeoutsT4 Timeouts
    1ATDMA0000
    2ATDMA0000
    3ATDMA0000
    4ATDMA0000
    5ATDMA0000

     

    • alanplum241276's avatar
      alanplum241276
      Dialled in

      If it was me....with those numbers, I'd add one of these to the back of the hub.

      https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/317231255020?_skw=forward+path+attenuator&itmmeta=01K4CA6ZMHAK47575DG6FCWCP0&hash=item49dc74cdec:g:fxYAAeSwTGlotXkS&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA8FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1c3b63OWXdbuDzf7Lxka9eR8wa3rnUhqgXeBZ%2Bn8RTYq36shURHqy1fKPaItjAzPIOud4kRs7jTdB5v8QJbsrLFq2Zj8l8b1%2BCLxAe1y1QCxZei2SevxWkKi%2FCIFH5IXRS4d45Luoabi7nw6gBx1fixXnkYlGnuCtq3VDTxibZJ971QjxAV18AegmSQGtAjgDai4Z1Pq5sc3DZHPtvK7%2B8GVCTi09d8lGYD%2B1f1iWgXZypPIGZJ9chwruZWOGJfT9Ds8cxgbLt5oTwSN%2F5BAI9ieLsZNLxzqHAJVfRTRDySLA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR776m4qjZg

      FPA's are hard to get hold of now, but that would bring your downstreams very close to 0, which is my prefered number :)

      Be careful though, the description says equaliser, you want FPA, Forward Path Attenuator, which is what the picture of the item is.

    • Molly_T's avatar
      Molly_T
      Icon for Forum Team rankForum Team

      Hi df1800 👋 Thanks for keeping the thread updated. 

      I can see you are already in a PM with one of my colleagues who is offering help. If you require further support following the appointment, please let them know so they can offer more assistance.

      Thank you! Hopefully we can get it sorted. 🤞 Wishing you all the best. 🌞