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fatedsnowfox
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The dreaded T3 timeouts

Hi!

So, about six or so months ago, we had a new cable pulled from the cabinet to the wallbox because of connection issues - 30 year old coax and DOCSIS 3.1 don't make for a fun time. All was good for a while, and then we had a really big batch of latency issues, to the point it would cause pfSense to fail over to our wet string DSL fallback.  That resolved itself, but now we're getting T3 issues and disconnects like we were before.  Just blips, but enough to knock us out of work calls and the like.   Logs are looking like this - forgive the formatting, the new forum backend is unhappy about the HTML the Hub 5 produces!  


14-10-2025 11:42:45    critical    No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=8c:9a:8f:13:39:4d;CMTS-MAC=00:01:5c:85:c8:70;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
14-10-2025 01:11:18    error    DHCP RENEW WARNING - Field invalid in response v4 option;CM-MAC=8c:9a:8f:13:39:4d;CMTS-MAC=00:01:5c:85:c8:70;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
13-10-2025 12:59:17    critical    Unicast Maintenance Ranging attempted - No response - Retries exhausted;CM-MAC=8c:9a:8f:13:39:4d;CMTS-MAC=00:01:5c:85:c8:70;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
13-10-2025 12:59:17    critical    16 consecutive T3 timeouts while trying to range on upstream channel 8;CM-MAC=8c:9a:8f:13:39:4d;CMTS-MAC=00:01:5c:85:c8:70;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
13-10-2025 12:59:10    critical    Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=8c:9a:8f:13:39:4d;CMTS-MAC=00:01:5c:85:c8:70;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
12-10-2025 21:16:26    critical    No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=8c:9a:8f:13:39:4d;CMTS-MAC=00:01:5c:85:c8:70;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
12-10-2025 21:16:25    critical    Unicast Maintenance Ranging attempted - No response - Retries exhausted;CM-MAC=8c:9a:8f:13:39:4d;CMTS-MAC=00:01:5c:85:c8:70;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
12-10-2025 21:16:25    critical    16 consecutive T3 timeouts while trying to range on upstream channel 8;CM-MAC=8c:9a:8f:13:39:4d;CMTS-MAC=00:01:5c:85:c8:70;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;

Our DS power levels are really quite high across the DOCSIS 3 channels, ranging from 12.9 to 9.3 dBmV.

The 3.1 stats are: 

3.1 Downstream channels

Channel    Channel Width (MHz)    FFT Type    Number of Active Subcarriers    Modulation (Active Profile)    First Active Subcarrier (Hz)
33    94    4K    1840    QAM 4096    1108

3.1 Downstream channels

Channel ID    Locked Status    RxMER Data (dB)    PLC Power (dBmV)    Corrected errors (Active Profile)    Uncorrectable errors (Active Profile)
33    Locked    0    6.2    2420655321    8

US specs: 

3.0 Upstream channels

Channel    Frequency (Hz)    Power (dBmV)    Symbol Rate (ksps)    Modulation    Channel ID
0    49600000    34.8    5120    QAM 64    1
1    43100000    35    5120    QAM 64    2
2    36600000    35.3    5120    QAM 64    3
3    30100000    35.5    5120    QAM 64    4
4    23600000    35.8    5120    QAM 64    5

3.0 Upstream channels

Channel    Channel Type    T1 Timeouts    T2 Timeouts    T3 Timeouts    T4 Timeouts
0    ATDMA    0    0    4    0
1    ATDMA    0    0    7    0
2    ATDMA    0    0    4    0
3    ATDMA    0    0    4    0
4    ATDMA    0    0    4    1

3.1 Upstream channels

Channel    Channel Width (MHz)    Power (dBmV)    FFT Type    Modulation
6    10.4    30.0    2K    QAM 256

3.1 Upstream channels

Channel    Channel Type    Number of Active Subcarriers    First Active Subcarrier (Hz)    T3 Timeouts    T4 Timeouts
6    OFDMA    208    74000000    23    0

I wonder if we just need to attenuate down, or if there's something up at the head.   What're your thoughts?

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  • Tudor's avatar
    Tudor
    Very Insightful Person

    Those stats are just ok. Looks to me that you have a very strong signal, you cannot attenuate the upstream, must be done at the street cabinet. Cannot give a better answer without the full downstream stats and log. It’s possibly a local area problem.

    Check with Area faults on 0800 561 0061 If you have a VM landline 150 this goes down to post code level. You could also try the web service status page, but this is not recommended as it only covers issues that affect a very large number of customers.

    VM will not dispatch any technicians while an area fault exists.

    If no area faults found:

    The primary place to report faults or for service requests is Customer Services on 0345 454 1111/150 if you have a VM landline or wait two or three days for a VM staff member to get to your post. This board is not a fault reporting system.