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coey's avatar
coey
On our wavelength
1 day ago

digital voice switchover,wired connection haha

just had notification from vm about digital voice changeover in march......can't believe that virgin is not offering similar device to bt adapter for this nationwide changeover......the cost of engineers rewiring hundreds of thousands of houses and loss of business from households like mine would more than cover the cost.......seems ludicrous to get rid of millions of miles of cpper wire to then say you have to have a wired connection between wi-fi hub and phone.

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  • coey's avatar
    coey
    On our wavelength

    why can't VM do this.......

    BT digital voice adapter........

    When your landline service moves to Digital Voice, you may want to keep using your current home phones. If your phone is near your Smart Hub, you can  plug it into the green port on the back of the hub.

    However, if you want your phone to be in a different room to your hub, you can use a Digital Voice Adapter to place it wherever you want in your home.

    Any phone of any age will work with your Digital Voice service, either connected to your hub or an adapter, if it is a tone-dialling phone.

    • Client62's avatar
      Client62
      Alessandro Volta

      Why don't ISPs offer a proper SIP/VOIP option thus enabling
      customers to use an ATA and VOIP Phone and a mobile app. 

      • Roger_Gooner's avatar
        Roger_Gooner
        Alessandro Volta

        The reason major consumer ISPs (BT, Virgin Media, Sky, Vodafone, TalkTalk, etc.) don't offer a “bring-your-own SIP” option isn't due to technical limitations—it’s a calculated response to uncompromising regulatory and support obligations.

        As the UK approaches the January 2027 PSTN switch-off, the major operators are transitioning their regulated Publicly Available Telephone Service (PATS) obligations from the old copper network to their IP-based broadband infrastructure. This shift from a dedicated voice line to a 'managed VoIP' model brings several non-negotiable regulatory hurdles.

        1. The "Life and Death" Regulatory Barrier (Ofcom Condition A3)
        Ofcom General Condition A3 mandates that voice providers ensure "uninterrupted access to emergency organisations." This is the primary reason for the lockdown:

        • Emergency Location (CLI): When you dial 999, the ISP must guarantee that your physical address is correctly transmitted. If they allowed third-party SIP apps or ATAs, they couldn't guarantee that the call would originate from the registered address.
        • Power Cut Resilience: Modern digital lines don't carry power like old copper lines. Under 2026 rules, ISPs must provide landline-dependent or vulnerable customers with a free battery backup (BBU) that lasts at least one hour. If you use your own router or ATA, the ISP has no way to certify or power that equipment during a blackout, leaving them legally liable if an emergency call fails.


        3. Security and "Toll Fraud" Risk
        SIP credentials are like cash. If an ISP issued raw credentials to millions of consumers, many would inevitably end up in poorly secured ATAs or leaked via "softphone" apps.

        • Fraud Liability: A compromised SIP account can be used to rack up thousands of pounds in international calls in minutes.
        • Firmware Lockdown: By baking the credentials into the ISP hub’s firmware (via TR-069/104 provisioning), the ISP removes the "human element" of credential theft and ensures the voice traffic is encrypted and prioritized over standard web traffic.


        4. The Operational Support Nightmare
        At the scale of millions of users, "Bring Your Own Device" becomes an unsupportable burden. If an ISP opened up SIP, they would instantly inherit responsibility for:

        • Every third-party ATA and VoIP desk phone ever made.
        • Complex NAT/Firewall issues on third-party routers.
        • STUN/TURN/SRTP failures.
        • QoS complaints: If your 4K stream makes your phone call "choppy," the ISP can only fix it if they control the router's Quality of Service (QoS) settings.
        • Random third-party firmware bugs


        That support burden would be enormous and unmanageable at consumer scale. So instead, providers lock voice to their own hubs:

        • SIP credentials are hidden
        • The ATA is integrated and tested
        • QoS, emergency routing and diagnostics are controlled end-to-end
        • Faults are supportable and auditable


        5. The "Managed Infrastructure" Reality
        For a consumer ISP, the "phone line" is now just one "service" on a managed hub. By locking the voice service to their hardware:

        • The ATA is integrated and tested as part of the hub.
        • Remote diagnostics can see if the phone is physically plugged in.
        • Automatic updates can be pushed to fix security vulnerabilities without user intervention.
        • Customers don't have the hassle of fixing problems. When an ISP provides the VoIP service, they own the entire path from the exchange to the handset. If there’s a fault, they fix it. When you 'Bring Your Own SIP,' you become the network engineer. You are responsible for the router's firewall settings, the ATA's firmware, and the Quality of Service (QoS) on your local network. Most consumers aren't able or willing to handle a 'one-way audio' fault that requires analysing SIP headers, which is exactly why ISPs keep the credentials locked away.


        Summary
        Consumer ISPs aren’t avoiding SIP because they can’t do it — they’re avoiding it because doing it safely, compliantly and supportably at mass-market scale is impractical.

        BT, VM, Sky, etc, already run SIP/IMS networks internally. They could expose SIP credentials and support BYOD ATAs and softphones, but doing so would require enormous engineering, regulatory and support overheads to maintain emergency calling, location accuracy, power-cut resilience and reliability across countless third-party devices and networks.

        That cost would be huge, and the average residential customer would never be willing to pay for it. Locking VoIP to the ISP’s own hub isn’t a technical limitation — it’s the only way to deliver a regulated “landline-like” service reliably at consumer prices.

        Open SIP might work perfectly for specialist VoIP providers with technical customers; it doesn’t scale economically for regulated consumer telephony with tens of millions of fixed line users.

  • goslow's avatar
    goslow
    Alessandro Volta

    If the hub at the front of the house connects to an omnibox outside at the front of the house, which also contains the phone line connections, then the VM tech would simply make a telephone link from the hub to the omnibox and link the phone connection from the hub to the phone wiring inside the omnibox which in turn would re-enable your telephone sockets. Any new phone wiring from the hub could follow the same path as the existing coax cable (presumably via an outside route).

    BT has covered all bases by developing its own cordless phones and accessories for digital voice.

    For the time being VM has taken a very simple approach in swapping a telephone wall socket for a socket on the back of the VM hub. It remains to be seen in what way VM chooses to develop its landline network in the future. If it moves to a full VOIP service for its customers, things may yet change again.

    • Tudor's avatar
      Tudor
      Very Insightful Person

      Exactly as I suggested many moons ago.

    • coey's avatar
      coey
      On our wavelength

      the "very simple approach" may suit VM but BT's solution far better for customers and I suspect would be better for VM business as well.

      • goslow's avatar
        goslow
        Alessandro Volta

        In cases of what suits VM vs what suits the customer, it is often the customer who comes in second place.

        You are aware that the digital voice adapter is part of the BT hub proprietary DECT system and not a wireless network device?

        Even if VM did such a thing, you would be connecting your cordless DECT base station to another DECT adapter which in turn would connect to the DECT system of the hub. Two different cordless systems would just create the potential for an additional point of failure IMO. The adapter's main function is to connect corded phones in remote locations without needing telephone wall sockets.

        Far simpler just to add another DECT handset from the existing cordless manufacturer and plug the original cordless base station into the hub IMO.

  • coey's avatar
    coey
    On our wavelength

    just had notification from vm about digital voice changeover in march......can't believe that virgin is not offering similar device to bt digital voice adapter for this nationwide changeover......the cost of engineers rewiring hundreds of thousands of houses and loss of business from households like mine where hub and phone are at opposite ends of the house and on different levels would more than cover the cost.......seems ludicrous to get rid of millions of miles of copper wire to then say you have to have a wired connection between wi-fi hub and phone.

    • Muhammod_I's avatar
      Muhammod_I
      Icon for Forum Team rankForum Team

      Thanks for reaching out with this coey. We understand that the change can be frustrating, especially when the hub and phone are in different parts of the house.

      We know this setup won’t suit every household and your comments about alternative adapters and the wider impact of the change are really valuable feedback.

      Should you need any further support with this, please don't hesitate to reach out and we'll see what we can do to make this change a better experience for you.

    • coey's avatar
      coey
      On our wavelength

      and an extra 30 metres of cable running through my property to get from my hub in front upstairs room to downstairs rear living room , no thank you when BT type adaptor would actually allow me to remove 15 metres of existing cable.

      • Molly_T's avatar
        Molly_T
        Icon for Forum Team rankForum Team

        Hi Coey 👋 thanks for getting back to us. 

        There's a help page with additional information and FAQ's about landline switchover here 👉 https://www.virginmedia.com/help/digital-voice-switchover

        Sadly we don't offer the same adapter as BT, so your options to retain use of our VM landline services would remain as;

        •  connecting your landline to the hub in it's current location (via the provided adapter)
        •  Arranging an appointment to relocate the hub within your home or get additional handsets set up (if they operate via wired connection to telephone socket extensions.)

        We appreciate your additional feedback, and apologise again for any frustration as a result of the available options for your digital switchover. 

        Please do let us know if you need some help in facilitating a hub re-location appointment! 

        Wishing you all the best. 🌞

    • coey's avatar
      coey
      On our wavelength

      and an extra 30 metres of cable running through my property to get from my hub in front upstairs room to downstairs rear living room , no thank you when BT type adaptor would actually allow me to remove 15 metres of existing cable.

  • Hi Coey,

     

    Thank you for getting in touch and for sharing your concerns regarding the upcoming Digital Voice switchover.

     

    We understand that this is a significant change, and we appreciate that moving from traditional copper‑based phone lines to a digital home phone service can raise questions—particularly around wiring and equipment.

     

    To clarify, our Digital Voice service is delivered through the Virgin Media Hub, which means your home phone will connect directly to the Hub rather than the copper wall socket. At this time, we do not provide an external adapter similar to the BT Digital Voice Adapter. Instead, we offer engineer support where required to ensure your home setup continues to work as expected.

     

    We recognise that in some households this may involve additional internal wiring, and we aim to complete any necessary work with minimal disruption. Our priority is to ensure all customers remain connected and that their phone service continues to operate reliably after the national transition away from copper-based networks.

     

    We appreciate your feedback and will make sure it is shared with the relevant teams, as we are always reviewing our processes and equipment to provide the best possible experience for our customers.

  • Adduxi's avatar
    Adduxi
    Very Insightful Person

    Nobody "rewires" thousands of houses", the phone simply plugs into the back of the Hub.

    • coey's avatar
      coey
      On our wavelength

      but if your phone and hub are at opposite ends of the house and on different floor levels like the thousands of houses I refer to ?

      • goslow's avatar
        goslow
        Alessandro Volta

        Use a cordless phone system.

        In the cases where rewiring is unavoidable, it is often nothing more than creating a telephone cable link between the location of the VM hub and an existing wired phone connection point.