Virgin have nearly finished rolling out their XGS-PON FTTP product in my area, I was speaking to one of their guys that confirmed what they were rolling out and he said it is capable of 10Gbps symmetric.
I know you won't be able to get 10Gbps from the get go, but will they be offering 1Gbps symmetric packages or still the same bollocks and cap the upload to 50-100Mbps?
Also any one know the prices of their new service?
Thanks.
I doubt you will get any info from the VM staff on the board, they are as much in the dark as the rest of us. Out of curiosity what area are you?
The engineer I spoke to said he wasn't aware of what packages would be available to start off with, guess I'll find out when it goes live.
I'm in LS15 Scholes, Leeds. Henegan (virgin subcontractor I assume) have been around here for the past 3 months mounting kit to the BT poles and using their ducting to deploy the fibre, very minimal digging involved.
I'm hoping they don't have **bleep**ty uploads or if they do it will only be for a short period during initial onboarding. Swish fibre are also due to deploy around here soon and they are doing symmetric circuits from the go, also capable of 10Gbps but for now capped at 1Gbps.
Current UK prices for a 1Gb / 1Gb Fibre Ethernet connection are from £295 + VAT per month
This isn't for any leased lines, this is residential deployment.
The new FTTP deployment using XGS-PON rather than RFoG is capable of up to 10Gpbs symmetrical to the home, obviously not going to be that from the go but I'm hoping 1Gbps up and down to start for their top tier, again doubt it though knowing virgin and their caps...
I wonder what percentage of the 10,800 Gigabytes per day of upstream capacity will go to waste.
Indeed they'll be symmetrical.
Can't do 10 Gbit/s on there, maxes out at about 8.3 due to overheads but I get his point.
Expect the download to initially follow the HFC network so 1 Gbit/s symmetrical with 2 Gbit/s to follow in a bit, releasing before Openreach/BT release their 1.8 Gbit/s product this year.
Symmetric packages will be available from the start as soon as the service goes live?
Do you have some inside info on that?
I hope they do as I don't understand the point in rolling out a service and crippling it.
MrJG08 wrote:Symmetric packages will be available from the start as soon as the service goes live?
Do you have some inside info on that?
I hope they do as I don't understand the point in rolling out a service and crippling it.
Yes they will, yes I do. No idea about pricing or timing, though, sorry. Those are up to the sales and product folks but the profiles for the tiers on the OLTs are symmetrical so VM will indeed be taking advantage of XGSPON: they agree with you on not crippling!
Will be seeing a similar situation to in the USA where cable companies have the same download speeds across the board but upload speeds vary depending on the technology available.
This is not the case.
Has gone live in my area now and upload capped at 100mb...absolute waste of time.
had it for a few months now, was promised 1:1 "real soon" -.- they need to act quick because altnets are installing locally.
just got xgspon, 1140/52 -.- wonder how long for the new packages?
Are you trialling it or is that your area fully up and running for everyone?
Did you ask them about symmetrical speeds?
What a load of **bleep**, wth is the point in using around 0.05% of the available bandwidth and crippling the connection.
Trialing, it does seem strange, also no sync speed available in the hub 🤔 I guess that’s just the new network
Only 52 up! Glad I'm going to City Fibre when my contracts up.
shameful isn't it having all this power, but being limited!
1.1.1.1 ping test over the past 6 hours
https://snapshots.raintank.io/dashboard/snapshot/2h9nr6GMpBOYPkBuuxuuZjk79tCxZ62G?orgId=2&refresh=1m
YouFibre seem to not like Virgin? that speed test at the bottom is unreal lol,
Virgin Media or more accurately their parent company don't like anyone and want the world to pay for the privilege of connecting to their customers as well as charging their customers for the privilege of connecting to them.
The connection probably goes around the houses via Aorta and third parties.
anyone else on xgs had any speed changes?
I'm already sick of Virgin and I'm not even a customer.....
Called sales two days ago to be told that the service was live and had been live since end of March......told packages will be symmetrical and I would be able to order up to 10Gbps......person I'm talking to says he needs another department to arrange and they will be in touch.
Call back today to chase, speak to someone else and told there is no availability in my area........explain what I was told two days ago and all he can do is apologise for what I was told.....
I don't understand how I can get two completely different information from two people that are surely looking at the same terminals and info?!
Virgin and Nexfibre released press statements on the 29th to say their new network was live as well.. - https://www.nexfibre.co.uk/nexfibres-new-full-fibre-network-goes-live-with-launch-of-virgin-media-o2s-services/
I was also cut off two times while trying to get through with call being answered and then put on hold......does not fill me with any confidence
where are you located? was told it would become 1:1 but of course zero eta given, and probably won't ever come haha.
Small village in north Leeds, very frustrating as all we can get here is fttc and I'm a bit of a distance from the Street cab.
MrJG08 wrote:I'm already sick of Virgin and I'm not even a customer.....
Called sales two days ago to be told that the service was live and had been live since end of March......told packages will be symmetrical and I would be able to order up to 10Gbps......person I'm talking to says he needs another department to arrange and they will be in touch.
They made that up. XGSPON isn't capable of 10 Gbit/s and for right now Liberty are too scared of making the cable network look bad to let the XGSPON network rip.
There's a small indication that they might be open to going to 5 Gbit/s in the, distant, future. Definitely not immediately.
What?
I mean literally 10Gbit is what XGS stands for (XG=10G, S=Symmetric).....and they aren't going to make their coax look bad, they are showing what the new rollout will be when the coax areas are upgraded.
Nothing is symmetrical or more than Gig1. What does the broadband postcode checker say.
Post code check says there has been an error and to call a number, has been saying this for months.
The chap at virgin told me connections would be symmetrical on this, no reason to believe otherwise on a circuit that can handle 10g both ways.
"The chap at virgin told me connections would be symmetrical on this" the connection will be, but it doesn’t have to be used symmetrically. Present trial area are at the moment the same as coax connected premises.
Nobody will get 10Gbps from XGS-PON anytime soon, and the most any ISP will provide from CityFibre's XGS-PON is 2.5Gbps symmetrical. And even if 10Gbps is one day announced it will be a theoretical maximum.
there's already people with "uncapped" tiers, they get around 8gb, seen it over at ispreview forums
Roger_Gooner wrote:Nobody will get 10Gbps from XGS-PON anytime soon, and the most any ISP will provide from CityFibre's XGS-PON is 2.5Gbps symmetrical. And even if 10Gbps is one day announced it will be a theoretical maximum.
Indeed not given it's impossible, however Community Fibre's 3 and 5 Gbps packages and YouFibre's 8 Gbps package show the way. CityFibre can make 3-5 Gbps available with some key presses in their XGSPON areas.
VMO2 aren't competing on speed anymore. In the FTTP world their cable network isn't up to the challenge and they don't want their XGSPON to show up their cable network until XGSPON is way more available so they're not going to be pushing the envelope.
I'm looking forward to seeing exactly what they do compete on without being able to claim being the fastest. They haven't shown any signs of upgrades for a 2 Gbps rollout yet.
it'll always be "widest available fastest internet" more people have virgin than altnets about.
I'm rather expecting VM to launch something like 2.5Gbps symmetrical as early as 2024 in XGS-PON areas only, something which the hub 5x's 10Gbps port should be able to support. There is a wider issue for VM, though, as it's a Pay TV provider which has no STB that works with this network. So, VM's market is narrowed by having to offer at best Stream for those who want TV as well as broadband, and even if a recordable Stream became available next year it will most likely be similar to Sky's Stream and thus hugely inferior to the 360.
they do the stream boxes now, can add packages to that.
Roger_Gooner wrote:I'm rather expecting VM to launch something like 2.5Gbps symmetrical as early as 2024 in XGS-PON areas only, something which the hub 5x's 10Gbps port should be able to support.
They're going to launch a product 90% of their passed areas can't receive? You think that's a good idea given how people reacted to the upload increases not hitting them immediately, and that was 90% of the network being able to receive it?
Any thoughts on why they're currently selling the same product on both if not fear of making the cable look bad?
IPFreely wrote:
Roger_Gooner wrote:I'm rather expecting VM to launch something like 2.5Gbps symmetrical as early as 2024 in XGS-PON areas only, something which the hub 5x's 10Gbps port should be able to support.
They're going to launch a product 90% of their passed areas can't receive? You think that's a good idea given how people reacted to the upload increases not hitting them immediately, and that was 90% of the network being able to receive it?
Any thoughts on why they're currently selling the same product on both if not fear of making the cable look bad?
VM has traditionally sold the same speeds regardless of technology, but remember that Gig1 (quite an upgrade on M600) was sold when DOCSIS 3.1 was being rolled out - so not everyone could get it. I think that competition will encourage VM to sell higher speeds and it would certainly be ridiculous to wait several years until the entire network was XGS-PON to offer something better than Gig1. There is of course a learning curve in providing higher speeds such as 2Gbps and more over XGS-PON and if VM is to get its slice of this small but growing market then it's better to start sooner rather than later.
