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Urgent need to discuss contract renewal - clock ticking!

I have been out-of-contract for a while and wanted to set up a new one with a minor change. It has not been the simple task I thought it would be. Apologies for the long read. Questions for forum staff at the end. Note - when calling VM I picked the 'leaving' option and asked to speak to retentions team, always noisy overseas call-centres.

Original Contract:

Virgin TV – Tivo monthly fee – Mix TV

Broadband – M250 fibre broadband

Phone – Line rental, Anytime Chatter, Voicemail+

18month contract started May 2023, ended November 2024.
£72.00 to March’24
£78.00     April’24 to end of contract.

Out of Contract:

19/11/24             - £81.43
19/12/24 to 19/02/25        - £94.52
19/03/25             - £104.12
19/04/25 to 19/05/25        - £101.44

Attempt to set up a new contract:

I call Virgin Media on 13th June 2025 to ask about adding a V6 Box running Tivo software to my existing package. I explain that I need to retain the old Tivo box because of the SCART connectivity, and it does not matter that App support (e.g. YouTube) on the old box is non-existent/unusable.

Virgin agent comes back with the following “offer” - 

Mega TV Bigger Bundle – Tivo monthly fee
Mega TV Bigger Bundle – Virgin TV V6 Box powered by Tivo

Broadband – M250 hybrid fibre broadband

Phone – Line rental, Anytime Chatter, Voicemail+, Call Waiting, Reminder Call

for £121 a month (splutter!) and also wants a £35.00 connection fee on top. After applying reductions and deals and the agent’s own discount the price is reduced to £88.25 a month for a 24 month contract, and I am told the connection fee will be reduced to £17.50.

The agent emails me the order summary information. I look at it straight away and reluctantly agree to go ahead. The agent says he will call me back straight away to arrange the installation date. I note that the paperwork still gives the installation fee as £35.00 and not the £17.50 I was told would be the charge.

I wait for some time but the agent does not call back.

Meanwhile… myvirginmedia is offering to renew my original contract package on an 18 month contract at an initial £56.81 a month, increasing to £60.31 from April’26. This is a huge difference from the initial £88.25 monthly cost of what the agent offered considering all I want to do is add a V6 Tivo Box to what I already have.

I call Virgin Media again and speak to another agent. I explain I have been waiting for a call back which has not come, and explain all I want is to add a V6 Tivo Box to what I already have.
The agent suggests I accept the myvirginmedia on-line renewal at £56.81 a month for my existing package, wait seven days, call again, and ask to add a V6 Tivo Box to the contract. The additional cost for the V6 Tivo Box will be around £10.00/month.

I ask the agent to check and make sure that I can definitely do this. The agent comes back some minutes later and says when I call to add the V6 Box I will be offered the same as the first agent offered me, but this time at an initial monthly charge of £81.25 after applying his own personal discount.

I am not happy about being forced to change the TV package. I can live with that, but I have a big problem with having to accept an 24 month contract with the potential for huge early disconnection fees given the length of the contract.

I also note that the old Tivo box is listed as the main TV service, and the V6 Tivo Box is listed as an add-on. Add-ons can be cancelled on 30 days notice without ending the agreement for main services. It is very likely that in coming months I will find a solution for the SCART issue I have, and the old box will become redundant. The way the contract is specified, I cannot remove it from the agreement.

Situation on 18th June:

The situation as of the 18th June is that an engineer is coming on 20th June to install the V6 Tivo Box after which a 14 day cooling-off period starts as I understand it.

I think I am being ripped off cost-wise and tied into a contract which is too long with unacceptable exit fees should the need arise.

Ripped off because the first agent came up with a best price based on his own personal discount which was significantly undercut by the second agent with *his* own personal discount. I am not buying replacement windows!

Ripped off because myVirginMedia offered to renew my existing package on-line for £56.81 a month and an agent told me an additional V6 box costs around £10 a month.

Questions for forum admin:

Why can’t I renew my out-of-contract package as per the on-line myvirginmedia offer and add a V6 box subsequently? I have screenshots of the myvirginmedia offer if needed.

If the above cannot be done, how do I get in touch with someone IN THIS COUNTRY to change the contract to make the Tivo V6 Box the main TV service and the old Tivo Box the add-on so I can remove it if/when I no longer require a SCART connection?

(Although the overseas agents I spoke to via the 150/0345 numbers tried to be as helpful as possible, I have absolutely zero confidence in getting a resolution through that route)

If I cancel the “new” package in the 14 day cooling off period, please confirm that my package will revert to the previous out-of-contract state and costs/implications e.g. V6 Box return.

Please confirm that whatever happens next (i.e. continue with new contract or cancel and revert), my blueyonder email account will not be affected.

I look forward to hearing from you!

Nigel

  • End of the saga - called 150, picked options to leave, ended up in an overseas call-centre on a line that kept breaking up and some comms issues. Explained I wanted to kill the new contract and stay out-of-contract as before. When I insisted I wanted to bin it, I got transferred to the next level and ended up speaking to the absolutely excellent Dianne somewhere in the U.K., who cancelled the contract/V6 installation and confirmed all was as before at £101.44 a month. I asked about options if VM reinstated the bargain basement  18month contract offer starting at £53/month. Dianne confirmed that I could add the V6 Tivo box at any time as an add-on, and because it is a newer box it will become the primary box and the ancient Tivo box will become the add-on meaning I could bin it at 30 days notice at any time with no penalty. All sounded just what I was after. Logged into MyVirginMedia and the same bargain 18month contract offer was available again so I took it!

    End result: cost for existing package halved, 18 month contract, will add a V6 Tivo box in a week or two (£35 installation fee), and can then bin the old one on 30 days notice when I no longer need the SCART connection without changing the agreement. Sounds good to me!

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  • goslow's avatar
    goslow
    Alessandro Volta

    Get an adapter to deal with the Scart connection issue and use it with an up to date VM TV box.

    There have been numerous recent topics on here about VM's TV offerings and which particular TV box is being offered. Beware of being duped into a new package where the TV box turns out to be something different than what you are wanting/expecting.

    A recent post on here from a VM person mentioned that VM is shifting to 24 month minimum terms.

    • nigelss's avatar
      nigelss
      Up to speed

      V6 boxes onwards only have HDMI outputs. All the HDMI - SCART converters I have seen over the years go to composite video so there's a significant drop in picture quality. A lot of them don't actually work because of HDCP signals. If you know of one that actually works, please let me know! The old Tivo box SCART connection output includes decent RGB video which is what I use for other gear. It is connected to the tellybox via HDMI. It is worse than useless for apps like YouTube which is why I want to add a V6 Box running Tivo software to my (new) contract package. The contract docs explicitly state V6 running Tivo. I was very insistent on not wanting 360 software. VM do seem to be trying to force people onto 24 month contracts. I think this toxic move started with mobile contracts. The problem is the "early disconnection fee" where someone 12 months into a 24 month contract can easily end up paying around £1000 to get out. Totally unacceptable. There should be a cap e.g. six months. I will be taking this up via my MP and Which! Final note - as far as I can see, the TV package I am being forced to accept has LESS channels than my old MIX package. Bring back Telewest! My comments are directed at the company and not at the people who have to work for them.

  • japitts's avatar
    japitts
    Very Insightful Person

    24months is now VM's standard minimum-term in most cases, if you're not happy with that then your only option is to find another pay-TV supplier that has a shorter minimum term. The converse of a longer minimum-term is longer price-certainty, annual increases not withstanding - pushing the 18month "dance" out by another 6months each time.

    I don't see any reason you can't accept an online offer and subsequently decide to add additional equipment, naturally contract renegotiation is a better time to do it so any discounts are baked into the bundle - but it can be done anytime.

    Mix is a legacy mid-tier TV bundle, which is no longer sold. You now have the choice of Mixit which is broadly Freeview-equivalent, or Maxit top-tier. The only way of retaining your legacy Mix bundle will be to never re-contract and remain on the undiscounted price you are currently paying.

    On the offshore call centres, this is VM's policy decision to use - if there was a magic-wand to go UK-only, then everyone would use it and it'd be shut down pretty rapidly!

    And as an aside, using an ISP-supplied email is a sure-fire way to be tied to that ISP...

    • nigelss's avatar
      nigelss
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      I wrote above that I asked about accepting the on-line offer and then adding the V6 Box running Tivo software. At that point, I had not finalised a new contract and was still out-of-contract. The agent said I could do that. I asked the agent to check to make sure. Turns out I cannot do that as I have documented above. Very very very annoying. VM's on-line offer at a bargain price is for what I am currently on - all documented above under out-of-contract. They are the ones offering an 18 month contract on that basis so they could keep it going for at least 18 months and just add a V6 Box, but they won't do it. In the old days I would talk things over with someone here in the U.K. retentions dept and everything would get sorted. Not any more. I have until Friday morning when an engineer arrives. I can still just pull the plug tomorrow (Thursday) and stop everything but am concerned that I might not end up back where I started.

      I desperately want to speak to someone with knowledge and authority about extending and adding to my existing (out-of-contract) package - the kind of person who used to man the UK retention line! If it is actually do-able and I have been misled by the agent, then that is what I want to do! I let things get going on a new contract because I knew I would have 14 days from this Friday to kill it, revert to my out-of-contract/offer status, take the offer and add the box if it is actually possible to do that. The problem is I cannot get the information I need from the overseas call-centre(s).

      You are right about ISP-supplied emails. I first got on-line in the 1990s and it would be a huge endeavour to try to identify everyone I would need to notify and do it. I do have other email addresses not tied to an ISP.

  • Just to add to the confusion, VM have sent me TWO contracts with different numbers for the package, one with a start date of 19th June, the other with a start date of 20th June, both attached to the same account number (mine). Looks like the first aborted attempt - the agent never called back to arrange installation so I called again - still got processed. I guess I will have to call in the morning (19th) to find out what is going on. I can just imagine VM trying to charge me a 24 month early disconnection fee to stop the first one going ahead!

    The text confirming the V6 Box installation on the 20th says to download the MyVM app to view the order details. I don't have an iphone or android device so I cannot download their bl**dy App and have no way of checking what the engineer intends to do. Why does VM just assume that everyone can download their App? Some old people like me cannot!

    I am absolutely sick to death of the whole experience. I wish I had never started it. All I wanted to do was to add a V6 box to what I already had. Now looking very likely I will just bin the attempt in the morning, revert to my out-of-contract state, and start looking for alternative providers and solutions. On reflection, forcing people into 24 month contracts with uncapped early disconnection "fees" really is the last straw. My thoughts at 1.30am!

    • Matthew_ML's avatar
      Matthew_ML
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      Hey nigelss, thank you for reaching out and we are sorry to hear about your contact issues. The contract you should pay attention to will be the one with the newest date on it. 

      On that one does everything add up and looks correct?

      • nigelss's avatar
        nigelss
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        Hi Matthew,

        Thanks for the reply. It has taken a while to respond because this morning when I logged in to this forum I couldn't view any messages and user nigelss doesn't exist. Had to disable the usual anti-tracking stuff to get it going again and here I am.

        I have decided to cancel the changes/new contract and stick with the out-of-contract package I am on for now. You took the money for the next month today so I shall have to get busy looking for alternative solutions. It is a real shame that after so many years - and so many thousands of pounds paid into your coffers - this episode has pushed me into seriously thinking of getting out of here. Main reasons are customer support and VM insisting on 24 month contracts with uncapped early disconnection fees is just ridiculous, or maybe there is a cap and I missed it. Do correct me if wrong.

  • End of the saga - called 150, picked options to leave, ended up in an overseas call-centre on a line that kept breaking up and some comms issues. Explained I wanted to kill the new contract and stay out-of-contract as before. When I insisted I wanted to bin it, I got transferred to the next level and ended up speaking to the absolutely excellent Dianne somewhere in the U.K., who cancelled the contract/V6 installation and confirmed all was as before at £101.44 a month. I asked about options if VM reinstated the bargain basement  18month contract offer starting at £53/month. Dianne confirmed that I could add the V6 Tivo box at any time as an add-on, and because it is a newer box it will become the primary box and the ancient Tivo box will become the add-on meaning I could bin it at 30 days notice at any time with no penalty. All sounded just what I was after. Logged into MyVirginMedia and the same bargain 18month contract offer was available again so I took it!

    End result: cost for existing package halved, 18 month contract, will add a V6 Tivo box in a week or two (£35 installation fee), and can then bin the old one on 30 days notice when I no longer need the SCART connection without changing the agreement. Sounds good to me!

    • newapollo's avatar
      newapollo
      Very Insightful Person

      Hi nigelss​ 

      Thanks for updating your thread. It's great to see that you spoke to a lady from the UK called Dianne and that she was able sort out a package that you are happy with.

      I notice in one of your earlier posts on this thread that you said you were advised to download the MVM app but are unable to do so as you don't have either an iphone or android device.  All of the information and settings in the app are actually available in your online My Virgin Media account which you've accessed via your computer.

      • nigelss's avatar
        nigelss
        Up to speed

        All academic now because the contract/installation was cancelled. The text received after confirming the install date said:

        "Thanks for confirming. To view your order details download our app at [virginmedia url]".

        I did log in to my My Virgin Media account and searched everywhere but could not find any trace of the order. It still showed my out-of-contract package information. I did have the pre-contract/contract docs that had been emailed to me. I suppose that is what "order details" means whereas I took it to mean the specific things the engineer would do on the day and that was what I wanted to check.