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Cmhow's avatar
Cmhow
Joining in
2 years ago

Out of contact prices for existing customers

Hi.  Just discovered that I'm currently paying £82 a month for a package which is almost the same as a new customer package which reverts to only £31 a month once out of contract.  The only difference between the packages is we currently have a higher broadband speed (due to previous allegedly 'free' upgrades) but we don't need it.  Before i psych myself up for a call to customer service, is it reasonable to expect to be offered a deal which is the same as the after promotion/out of contract offer on a current new customer deal? I'd be happy with that even with a reduction in broadband speed.  I can't face a hard sell at the moment so just want to make a clear and reasonable ask.  Advice appreciated.

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  • jpeg1's avatar
    jpeg1
    Alessandro Volta

    There is so way at all of predicting what you may be offered. Every deal is different and designed to get the maximum money from you.  Unfortunately you will have to negotiate unless you are prepared to pay their first offer. 

    Do you currently have the opportunity to move to an Openreach or other full fibre supplier? If so, a note of what deal they are offering would be useful to have.

  • japitts's avatar
    japitts
    Very Insightful Person

    Cmhow wrote:

    is it reasonable to expect to be offered a deal which is the same as the after promotion/out of contract offer on a current new customer deal?


    Realistically, no. You're not a new customer to VM. Comparing the services you have, with the closest equivalent from another provider and "offering" VM the choice of competing against it versus having your 30days cancellation, is the mindset you need to adopt.

    The price differential you mention seems quite substantial, which begs the question of what your services are?

  • nodrogd's avatar
    nodrogd
    Very Insightful Person

    Cmhow wrote:

    Hi.  Just discovered that I'm currently paying £82 a month for a package which is almost the same as a new customer package which reverts to only £31 a month once out of contract.  The only difference between the packages is we currently have a higher broadband speed (due to previous allegedly 'free' upgrades) but we don't need it.  Before i psych myself up for a call to customer service, is it reasonable to expect to be offered a deal which is the same as the after promotion/out of contract offer on a current new customer deal? I'd be happy with that even with a reduction in broadband speed.  I can't face a hard sell at the moment so just want to make a clear and reasonable ask.  Advice appreciated.


    The answer is simple. Virgin lose money on new customer contracts to get new business. It is & always has been their business model. You may get an improved deal by negotiating, but they are not going to give new customer pricing to too many exiting customers for obvious reasons.

    • Scampo2426's avatar
      Scampo2426
      Joining in

      "Virgin lose money on new customer contracts to get new business"... That's interesting. Do you know this for a fact? The cost of services to VM is highly complex and would never be publicised, I would have thought.

       

      Steve

      • nodrogd's avatar
        nodrogd
        Very Insightful Person

        Scampo2426 wrote:

        "Virgin lose money on new customer contracts to get new business"... That's interesting. Do you know this for a fact? The cost of services to VM is highly complex and would never be publicised, I would have thought.

         

        Steve


        The result of 1) being a cable customer for over 30 years & 2) having a an ex-colleague insider who was happy to disclose such matters.

  • japitts's avatar
    japitts
    Very Insightful Person

    To add, you only need look at the insurance market for evidence of what happens when "new customer" discounts are abolished and everyone pays the same......prices go up for everyone.

  • Hi Cmhow, 

    Thanks for taking the time to contact us via the Community. It's lovely having you on board with us in the Forums.

    We're sorry to hear you're having an issue with the cost of your package. When you join us as a new customer, you will usually be on a welcome offer. When this offer ends, you'll usually revert to the standard package price for the bundle.

    The cost of this will be listed on your contract and the end date of the discounts will be listed on each bill. We also send out an End Of Contact Notification to all our customers before their contract comes to an end highlighting the new package price and also any offers that may be of interest. You can view more about your billing here.

    Although 'new customer' offers may not always be available to existing customers, that doesn't mean that you miss out once you've joined us. We often have offers and special deals on our services, or one-off promotions to make sure you carry on getting the value you'd expect 

    We're always happy to review your package and cost to help find one that best suits your needs and budget - this doesn't always mean a downgrade! If you want to chat with us, please feel free to call on 150 / 0345 454 1111 or pop us a message on WhatsApp on 07305327112. 

    Keep us posted on how you get on. 🙂

  • Hi All, I have been a customer since NTL World days, 1999, which was later bought over by Virgin, so more than 25-years continuously. I am also fed up with the unfair way VM treats existing customers. After all it is us the longtime customers that were propping up this company through thick and thin. Since 1999 my subscription has been increasing year on year; occasionally VM had thrown some crumbs at me in the guise of offers. But the fundamental issue of existing customers given the same deals as new customers has been irritating me. I have just renewed my contract due to end this month of July. The extant contract is at £93.28 per month, and a new contract offered at £100.12 for the same package. To rub salt into my wound, VM had quoted on the same notification that for a new customer, the same package would cost £49.00. See how unfair this deal offered to a 25-yr long term customer ...... more than twice the cost to a new customer. I tried to negotiate a reduced price for my new contract to continue with VM quoting their £49.00 for the new customer, but VM firmly said, NO, all new customers get just one life time offer once, presumably in this case £52 reduction from what I would have to pay. Asked their definition of "Life Time", the agent stumbled for a response, because on this question they had not been trained to fob off the customer. I said surely VM could be flexible and offer something better for us long term customers instead of ripping us off as they have time to time thrown some crumbs at me over the last 25-yr. So, it flexibility is possible, only if they have a heart or sense of business empathy. But tell me bloggers, when did a business organization ever had a heart. Anyway after some soul searching while I was kept on the line, the agent offered to give me the same package as before for £92.25, a whole £1.00 reduction that reminded me of The Merchant of Venice. To fudge the bitter pill, BB speed was increased to M500 but with HomeWorks added, all these improvements without my asking, but they had to be taken as a package. M500 was welcome because I as a retiree, use the internet a lot, but HomeWorks, an unnecessary facility as I do not work from home. So, there, that is my story. As quite a few bloggers suggested, I too would like to walk away from VM, but unfortunately the other two major players BT or Sky do not offer such a technically good package as VM, e.g. our BT local download speed at postcode GU14 is just above 30 Mb, vs my current VM speed of M350, with higher capacity M500 and 1 Gbps. Undoubtedly, VM system performance is superb from my own practical experience, their package combinations and Add-Ons are good and comprehensive, and the level of service good. Only once I had to call an engineer troubleshooter to my home. I have no reason to complain on VM's technical excellence and the service, and it is for this reason that I have stayed with VM all this time. My major issue of dissatisfaction is the cost and unfair discrimination. Please do not misunderstand me, I am not promoting VM here, but only being fair in my comment. If BT or Sky could give me my current requirements at half or 2/3rd of VM price, I would leave VM but they cannot. VM may be charging a hefty connection and setting up charge, I guess around £40.00 to new customers, so the low cost package may not be as attractive as it seems . Better the devil you know than the one you do not know. Hope my blog helps you to decide if to stay or leave!

    • Zach_R's avatar
      Zach_R
      Forum Team (Retired)

      Hi UnhappyLad,

      Thank you for your post and welcome to our community forums. We're here to help.

      I'm sorry to hear that you're unhappy with your current bundle and a recent offer that was discussed. It's correct that we would not offer new customer offers to an existing customer - these are only provided to new customers. They, along with all of our customers when they first join us, receive an introductory offer.

      As of our offers are subject to change, meaning a deal available one day may no longer be available the next and vice versa, then I'd recommend reaching back out to our retentions team when you can to see what deals they have available as they may have something which you feel better suits your needs. If not, you can discuss other options.

      You can reach them by calling 0345 454 1111 (or 150 from a Virgin Media landline).

      Let us know if there's anything more that we can help you with.

      Thanks,
       

      • UnhappyLad's avatar
        UnhappyLad
        Joining in

        Thank you Zach.  As advised, I have followed up with the Retention Team to readjust my package at a slightly lower monthly cost.

    • Cardiffman282's avatar
      Cardiffman282
      Wise owl

      A narrow point. I have never seen (the largely useless and commission driven) Home Works bundled up as part of a VM package before. I reckon it's a stand alone add on that you can cancel separately but do check. 

  • jpeg1's avatar
    jpeg1
    Alessandro Volta

    This has been discussed on here so many times. There's no point in moaning about it yet again. 

    At the end of a fixed term you can negotiate. Look at the competing services available in your area to see if you can get FTTP on a better deal. VM will have done!

    Then you can take the VM deal or leave. Many of us have made that decision and left. There's no such thing as loyalty on either side. 

    And you might like to take into consideration Ofcom's latest report on customer dis/satisfaction, just published.

    https://ofcom.cmail20.com/t/i-l-fnhyhy-wklhinik-d/