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Cardiffman282's avatar
Cardiffman282
Community elder
4 days ago

Router replacement?

Hi folks. I have an Asus RT-AC86U router (Hub 3 in modem mode / Volt 250) and have just noticed that it is officially EOL. It still mostly works well (with great WiFi range) although the 2.4 band has recently become erratic (bands are split, auto firmware update is on, VM end is fine, Asus power cycling generally sorts it). Obviously since buying it WiFi 6, 6e and 7 (and shortly 8) have come along. 

Openreach FTTP is due to be available in my street at some point this year. In addition we are also a "ready to go" Mustang (Nexfibre/Giffgaff Xgs-pon) street. My VM contract is up in October. 

What to do? Stick with the (increasingly obsolete but mostly still functioning) Asus for now or look at a new router? My priorities are connection stability and strong WiFi range (fairly big house). If the latter which brand/wifi type etc? Budget is around £100.

Thank you. 

12 Replies

  • Adduxi's avatar
    Adduxi
    Very Insightful Person

    You could check if Merlin is still updating the firmware for that model and squeeze a bit more time out of it. ? 

    As for Wifi coverage, my Router has no wifi at all, and I use 3 Wifi 6 PoE AP's for wifi coverage.  Anything that can be connected to ethernet is as well.

    I'm of the opinion that a single router will not cover a whole house, but yes, that's very much dependant on the house size and construction.

    • Cardiffman282's avatar
      Cardiffman282
      Community elder

      Ta. Yeah Merlin stopped supporting this model a while ago too unfortunately. The Asus did belt out the full connection speed all around the house but is struggling these days. I will look into access points. 

  • jpeg1's avatar
    jpeg1
    Alessandro Volta

    If you move to EE you will find that they don't force you to to use their own router, although it does have very good WiFi range. Some others are the same. 

    So depending on your personal requirements, you have two options. Get a new router now that will be compatible with Openreach fibre (most will be). Or do nothing now and just use the EE router when you move. 

    • Cardiffman282's avatar
      Cardiffman282
      Community elder

      Good point about EE. I wonder if VM will process the promised free upgrade to the Hub 5 by then... 

  • Adduxi's avatar
    Adduxi
    Very Insightful Person

    If you have XGS-PON available, I believe GiffGaff will also let you use your own router from the ONT.  If you go VM, you will get the Hub 5X without modem mode.  EE with Openreach as noted, but they also still supply a TV recording box I believe, it that's of interest.  The world is your oyster, as they say  :-)

  • goslow's avatar
    goslow
    Alessandro Volta

    If it was me, I think I would try the EE hub first of all and see what it was like then get a third party router only if it was necessary.

    I have a BT Smart Hub 2 (same stable as the EE Smart Hub Plus by the look of it, perhaps SH2 is the previous model).

    My BT hub does not allow a guest network but it looks as if that has been added to the new EE hub.

    My BT hub does not allow separate network names for 2.4GHz and 5GHz and it looks like that is the case for the EE hub (based on a few YT videos).

    The BT hub is nothing special at all but it works reliably. I think the BT/EE hubs are capable of running EE's 'Hybrid connect' option where it will fail over to a mobile connection on EE (but needs more hardware to do this by the look of it).

    Basic Wifi from the BT hub is OK. It was designed to work with BT wifi 'disks' to expand wifi coverage. Looks like EE has similar components to link together as part of a total EE system.

    It looks as if you can buy all these BT/EE component parts off the shelf (rather than having to rent them) so, if you wanted to base your setup on EE kit, you could do that. Alternatively, as already stated above, get your own kit and plug a router into the ONT.

    The biggest thing you would (hopefully) notice on a new fibre network is reliability. My BT FTTP connection hasn't missed a beat in nearly 4 years of use. Compare that with VM on 20 year old coax cable which routinely would reboot itself or go off for an hour or so or periodically go very slowly. It has been a night and day difference on BT FTTP.

    • Cardiffman282's avatar
      Cardiffman282
      Community elder

      Thanks goslow. It looks like EE is getting a few thumbs up. I have never had a non VM Internet connection so it will be a little bit of a leap for this cable veteran but it seems it is indeed the right way to go. 

      • goslow's avatar
        goslow
        Alessandro Volta
        Cardiffman282 wrote:

        Thanks goslow. It looks like EE is getting a few thumbs up. I have never had a non VM Internet connection so it will be a little bit of a leap for this cable veteran but it seems it is indeed the right way to go. 

        Well, FWIW, I was with VM for around 22 years before I changed. There was nothing else could match VM speeds (which at the time was important to me).

        I was quite hesitant about switching (as it was a leap into the unknown). I did actually try to renew with VM but (as we will be all to familiar with on here) got stuck in a daft conversation where VM refused to provide a sensible price for broadband only (I wanted to drop the landline). So VM got its one opportunity to keep a 20+ year customer and it muffed it. In so doing it nudged me to get the fibre installation which, in turn, now means I can get pretty much any provider I want. Way to go VM!

        As you know already, you always have the option to overlap VM with a new OR fibre installation so you can 'compare and contrast' but, if you have similar experiences to what is mentioned by me and others on here, I think you would be happy with the switch.

    • Adduxi's avatar
      Adduxi
      Very Insightful Person
      goslow wrote:

      I think the BT/EE hubs are capable of running EE's 'Hybrid connect' option where it will fail over to a mobile connection

      That is correct, but it is an additional cost.

      goslow wrote:

      My BT FTTP connection hasn't missed a beat in nearly 4 years of use. Compare that with VM on 20 year old coax cable which routinely would reboot itself or go off for an hour or so

      I had a dualwan for work with BT/VM and I would mirror this comment.  VM used to go off now and again, but having the redundancy, it had no impact for WFH.  The BT line was exceptional over the same period.

      As an aside, BT had IPv6 enabled, and with a routing rule on the router, I put all my XBox traffic over this circuit as XBox live runs better with IPv6, no messing around with port forwarding rules.

  • jpeg1's avatar
    jpeg1
    Alessandro Volta

    My neighbour is on EE FF, using the provided router. Their 5GHz WiFi covers most of my house, which their Hub 5 never did.  As @goslow said, its settings are rather limited, but it has what most users would ever need.  They are very pleased with their recording TV box.

    Can't comment on the EE CS, because neither of us has every needed to call them, the FF is entirely reliable.   VM need to catch up fast, if they want to keep their customers.  

     

    • Cardiffman282's avatar
      Cardiffman282
      Community elder

      Another one in the net for EE. I will update the thread with any developments (if the forum still exists). 

      • goslow's avatar
        goslow
        Alessandro Volta
        Cardiffman282 wrote:

        Another one in the net for EE. I will update the thread with any developments (if the forum still exists). 

        It will be interesting to see what you can choose from when OR installs their fibre.

        In my street ( a cul-de-sac of about 40 houses, supplied via telephone poles) OR installed the fibre to the poles first of all but then there was quite a delay before they became live to use. When they did go live, BT (which will now be EE for home users) seemed to have first refusal on them for about 6 months to a year and they were the only provider to be able to offer FTTP. Originally two of the fibre breakout boxes were fitted to the top of my nearest telephone pole and they have now increased to 4 or 5 fibre boxes and access has been opened to all providers.

        VM's fibre cabinets have been installed in the area for a long time but, as yet, nothing has ever been connected to them AFAIK. In my area at least, VM is well and truly behind the curve for fibre roll out.