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Re: IPv6 support on Virgin media
Definitely agree with that. I'm on VMB Voom 3 and the minute IPv6 is available, I will be configuring it. I'd imagine they will leave the GRE tunnel serving up my static IPv4's as it is now and then at some stage in the future (in a galaxy far far away), I wouldn't be surprised if they informed me they were closing down the IPv4 service and to keep it you would have to pay X. Hopefully by that time, the rest of the world will be well on their way to IPv6 and I can bin the IPv4. I do think the change to IPv6 will be more imminently evident to residential users as they will be switched to IPv6 and IPv4 CGNAT. Maybe VM will allow residential users (for a limited period) to switch back to IPv4 to gain full NAT or force them onto a new (and slightly more costly) tariff?2.7KViews0likes0CommentsRe: IPv6 support on Virgin media
I don't think VM will charge you directly for the IPv6 implementation eg your monthly charge is going up to X because of IPv6. What they will do is charge indirectly ie we've kept our prices low for x amount of years but now we have to increase it by X due to rising costs etc As I've mentioned in this thread, I think the standard user will be chucked onto IPv6 with IPv4 CGNAT and if you want anything different, you will have to pay extra ie IPv6 with IPv4 Statics & Full NAT2.8KViews0likes0CommentsRe: IPv6 support on Virgin media
But what would you do if VM turned around and said "yes, you can have an IPv6 /48 prefix & Full Nat Ipv4" for £5 extra per month? Would people take that offer up? Currently, we are only guessing and I'm guessing how they would switch me over on Voom 3 with minimal interruption which I think they could do right now as my IPv4 statics are getting served via GRE. Maybe they have planned it like this for a while and if I'm honest, it kind of makes sense from a deployment point of view. Maybe they will switch residential over and wait for those to kick up who want modem mode and then give them the two options ie switch to something like above or as mentioned go back to IPv4 until they totally pull it?3.4KViews0likes0CommentsRe: IPv6 support on Virgin media
I'm only guessing there so can't be sure how they would roll it out. I'm on VMB Voom 3 and using 5 statics. I envisage I will wake up one morning and there will be an upgraded Hitron router with an IPv6 address. My Ipv4's will remain the same. Not sure how the IPv6 will be different to residential or even if it will be? Perhaps the Voom 3 will become vanilla IPv6 and a GRE Full Ipv4 NAT (business) as opposed to IPv6 and CGNAT IPv4 (residential)? And leaving VM because of this will become anybodies prerogative with the trade in of speed etc but I wouldn't expect to see a mass exodus just because they aren't supplying modem mode which I'm guessing only a small percentage of their users actually use.3.5KViews0likes0CommentsRe: IPv6 support on Virgin media
I think CGNAT will cause issues for those users that want to supply their own services eg serve up http/s for their own use. Yes, you could argue that they shouldn't be doing it on dynamic IP's etc but most consumer grade routers have dynamic DNS to overcome this and allow consumers to serve up what they want. From my understanding, CGNAT will prevent this unless each customer is mapped to a unique IPv4 public IP address. Yes, for most users who don't do this, they won't see any difference apart from any CGNAT teething problems. This is why I think that for users who want the ability to serve up their own services ie accept incoming IPv4 connections, VM will charge them a premium by forcing them to switch to something like business and use a GRE tunnel etc to tunnel an IPv4 network via the IPv6 network. Alternatively, they could use an outside provider for this.... again at a cost. So my guess is they will rollout IPv6 with CGNAT for IPv4 at no extra cost for residential users. If you want anything more exotic, you will have to pay a premium for it or go elsewhere. I suspect the vanilla user will see no difference and hence there won't be a mass migration of consumers due to the CGNAT limitations. It will be interesting to see what they do for the business users, especially on the Voom side of things. These users currently use a GRE tunnel to separate their traffic from the consumer side of things and allow a specific IPv4 subnet to be supplied to the end user with full NAT as it is now. With those users, I suspect the GRE tunnel will still be supplied (at no extra cost) and the endpoint IP's will simply change to IPv6. Taking the above into account, I suspect that anybody on residential VM who want's full IPv4 NAT after the switch to IPv6, will be forced to switch to Virgin Business or something similar at a premium to retain the same capabilities.3.5KViews0likes0Comments