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Re: IPv6 support on Virgin media
If they were waiting for everyone to get a hub4 then you're looking at a lot longer than a year, they have literally millions of customers and some of them will still be rocking things like hub2's without any issues, if i were still on a residential service with VM i would have stuck with the hub2 myself, so yeah that isn't going to be what they were waiting for and as far as i know the older hubs "can" do v6 anyway there just isn't really any point at this time, there is still no requirement for v6 to be rolled out as its only the smaller companies that are affected by the v4 shortage, the big names still work on v4 just fine3.3KViews0likes60CommentsRe: IPv6 support on Virgin media
Sure its a "mere" 9.5million, but they know they won't have every customer in their areas and customers who join and leave are keeping that number low enough to not be an issue, they can always just buy unused IP's from other companies should they feel the need but i doubt they will be in a position to need to do that for a while The UK currently has 71 million v4's assigned to it and only 67 million residents, now assume that a fair chunk of those will be people living behind a single IP and CGNAT on mobiles and you realise that as a whole we're doing fine for v4's currently, yes its going to eventually become an issue, nobody is denying that, but its not going to be an issue for a while20KViews0likes0CommentsRe: IPv6 support on Virgin media
That article makes it out to be worse than it is, all it means is there are no "new" blocks of IP's to be handed out, companies still have access to all their currently assigned IP blocks, and ISP's always have more than they actually currently need so it won't actually make any difference, it just means you won't get any new IPv4 companies springing up unless they are renting addresses from another company20KViews1like107CommentsRe: IPv6 support on Virgin media
Morgaine wrote: Sunday update --- Apparently Virgin IPv6 infrastructure rollout has been completed, but no sign of service. We're still in the same situation as a fortnight ago. After the strong almost linear growth ended on 2019-02-06, we entered a fairly stable plateau period featuring only small gains and losses. What little IPv6 growth there was reached a peak of 22,480 counts on 2019-02-26. In March, small losses have begun to dominate, perhaps a sign of early-life equipment failure, which does happen to a small percentage of new gear. Considering that we observed over 4 months of daily growth in IPv6 activity, there might well be of the order of 120 items or sets of equipment (routers, gateways, switches, PDUs, etc) deployed during the period of growth, plenty of opportunity for a few pieces to check out of life early. Burn-in of high-end or life-critical electronics is often done by diligent manufacturers to catch the most severe cases of infant mortality in equipment, but it is very expensive and commonly avoided for mass-market gear. It has been a month now since this hypothesized IPv6 equipment rollout was completed, and still not a peep from Virgin. This veil of total silence is pretty abusive to us, the customers, who are paying their wages and are the source of all their profits. Keeping your stakeholders in the loop is part of quality management, a principle which seems to elude them. Morgaine. Why would they announce anything, if they have no plans to start a service they aren't going to announce any work until its actually relevant, and you're confusing shareholder with stakeholder, they will communicate to the shareholders but not to us until they can sell it to use :P4KViews0likes0CommentsRe: IPv6 support on Virgin media
Morgaine wrote: shanematthews writes: the internet will continue to function with IPv4, none of the big players will be affected for a long while to go. But that's not actually what's happening, quite the opposite in fact. It's the big players who are driving the change towards IPv6, while the small fry drag their feet and rationalize away their inertia with a variety of sometimes funny excuses. The only reasonable one I've heard so far is "Our IPv6 firewall isn't ready yet", but that's not a card that can be played for too long, and it's not an excuse for not preparing one's IPv6 infrastructure internally. It is easy to verify that it is the big players who are driving IPv6 deployment. Google and Facebook carry an immense amount of traffic as network application endpoint providers, and their user base isn't narrowly techie or specialist but cuts across the entire world cross-section of Internet users so it's representative of both "big player" providers and their huge user bases. LinkedIn has a more enterprise-themed audience, but is nevertheless a big player with a very large user base. All of these companies also happen to publish useful statistics about their IPv6 usage: • Google: "IPv6 connectivity among Google users" passed through 25% a few days ago, and this growth lies on a fast upward curve. • Facebook: "Internet traffic over IPv6" recently reached 22.5% and is likewise steadily rising. • LinkedIn: "In the U.S. we now pass 50% IPv6 usage on weekends across all devices", and around 40% for Germany. That the big players are driving IPv6 adoption is also well described in the Internet Society's State of IPv6 Deployment 2018 publication, from which I've extracted a few snippets: • Over 25% of all Internet-connected networks advertise IPv6 connectivity. • Alexa Top Million Websites: 17% with working IPv6 (up from 13% in 2017) • Alexa Top 1,000 Websites: 28% with working IPv6 (up from 23% in 2017) And from the same Internet Society publication, three paragraphs which nail it: Facebook reports that they are in the process of turning IPv4 off within their datacentres; IPv4 and IPv6 from outside comes to their load balancers, and behind them it is only IPv6. The effect has been operational improvements and innovation in their software. Other companies, including LinkedIn and Microsoft, have similarly stated an intention to turn IPv4 off within their networks. Microsoft is taking steps to turn IPv4 off, running IPv6-only within the company. Their description of their heavily translated IPv4 network includes phrases like “potentially fragile”, “operationally challenging”, and with regard to dual stack operations, “complex”. The summary of their logic is both telling and compelling: “Hopefully, migrating to IPv6 (dual-stack) is uncontroversial at this stage. For us, moving to IPv6-only as soon as possible solves our problems with IPv4 depletion and address oversubscription. It also moves us to a simpler world of network operations where we can concentrate on innovation and providing network services, instead of wasting energy battling with such a fundamental resource as addressing.” It doesn't leave any doubt about where the big players stand. They're blasting ahead with IPv6 at warp speed, and internally towards IPv6-only. Morgaine. I think you misread what i said, i said they wouldn't be affected for a long time to come, yes they will push for it but sticking to IPv4 won't cause the big players any actual issues, their services will continue to work and customers will continue to to be able to access them, while the allocation of blocks may have come to a halt there are still more than enough IPv4's available to ISP's to allow them to continue to function just fine2.1KViews0likes0CommentsRe: IPv6 support on Virgin media
VMCopperUser wrote: TonyJr wrote: How about some praise for the people working hard on this on the ISP side, who may not be able to talk about it. We know something is going on, so thank you VM engineers. I took my car to get a new tyre recently, after it was done I should have wrote a letter to the pressure gauge manufacture thanking them for making it possible for the mechanic to put the correct pressure in. After all, they too were producing something no one really needed. Just saying. Anyhow, I am glad that there's signs the deployment is growing. I would say baby steps, but sadly most children who were in the womb at the time these things started to happen, well, they are in the middle of primary school now lol. I would like to thank Morgaine for keeping us up to date. It is interesting how VM have really sat back on this stuff for so long. They did the same when Liberty Global (VM Owners) stated they were making a move to DS 3.1, VM have stepped back and said there's no plans to even test it in the UK yet. Liberty Global are now offering "Gigabit" HFCN as a actual product - so it's well past testing phase!... Sadly I have been around long enough to see some really bad things, and while I might be quite sour overall in regards to how VM has been ran, the product itself has never had any major faults. If you look back you can see that they always leave everything to the last minute to do, and sometimes it goes wrong. PHORM, Cloned Modems, IPv6, Legacy Equipment not getting upgraded even though it would benefit the network and user both. There will come a point when they think forward instead of looking backward. That time is not now. TalkTalk will have IPv6 before VM. What will be depressing is that IPv6 will come when it's like that pressure gauge. VM Tech support staff are generally not that techie, so once IPv6 deploys on VM network you can be sure that the service center is going to go into meltdown. Had they rolled out support early on then it would have given them time to test and fix issues. As it stands now, they are just going to turn it on one day and hope. Its not really that interesting, as it stands the internet will continue to function with IPv4, none of the big players will be affected for a long while to go, VM also already have a massive monopoly on speeds so there really isn't any incentive for them to keep upping speeds, ADSL can't compete and gigabit is only available in certain locations, VM would need some sort of actual competition for them to make any drastic changes, and that isn't going to happen2.1KViews0likes0CommentsRe: IPv6 support on Virgin media
ravenstar68wrote: Being as Loops of Zen is only accessible over IPv6 you must be accessing it via Teredo or some other tunnelling mechanism, whether your aware of this is another matter. However Tunnelling mechanisms are only a stopgap. Tim You mean that thing that has been a standard feature of windows for many years now? all i'm using is the native stuff provided by my OS and whatever the hub2 provides, nothing more2.2KViews0likes0Comments