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Sunday update -- well the IPv6 counts sure are shooting up!
We're in uncharted territory now, beyond the peaks of IPv6 activity ever seen before by APNIC for AS5089. Although we can only guess how to interpret these figures, two things seem clear:
• These numbers are not yet signs of the release of a public IPv6 service, since they are too small by one or two orders of magnitude, depending how release is done. At the same time it should be mentioned that the counts are far above the noise level in the data, so they do indicate something with statistical significance. We just don't know what.
• The growth in these daily counts is pretty linear, which I interpret as some kind of ongoing equipment rollout process, because that is one of the things that is commonly linear in growth since it is limited by human manpower. For example, it might be the number of deployment engineers available to visit equipment installations around the country that is constraining growth in the APNIC counts to a near-constant amount.
If it is indeed some kind of resource-limited deployment process that is responsible, then that deployment will eventually come to an end, and it's not unreasonable to guess that we might be due for it any time now. After all, Virgin's network won't have grown too much since the end of September 2017, and the similar growth rates now and then do give some confidence that there is no significant new multiplying factor involved.
Despite the grim reality of last weeks' posts, so strongly anchored in the very bleak precedent of Virgin's past actions, at least things are moving in the right direction.
Morgaine.
Guys - are you aware of Liberty's IPv6 rollout document [Dec 7th 2018]?
It's online at https://www.ipv6.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/LG-Virgin-IPv6-Rollout-UK-IPv6-Council.pdf
"IPv6 Broadband Product launch soon"
- TonyJr7 years agoUp to speed
cthonus wrote:Guys - are you aware of Liberty's IPv6 rollout document [Dec 7th 2018]?
It's online at https://www.ipv6.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/LG-Virgin-IPv6-Rollout-UK-IPv6-Council.pdf
"IPv6 Broadband Product launch soon"
It is something to look at while we eagerly await.
- Anonymous7 years ago
Thanks for that. I must have just missed that update when I checked the other day. It's short and sweet.
Hope that "soon" means January.
- Optimist17 years agoUp to speedJanuary? Which year?
- Anonymous7 years ago
2019.
This is the most affirmative that anyone from Virgin has ever been about deploying IPv6. Surely it's time to pack up the cynicism?
- Adduxi7 years agoVery Insightful Person
I noted one of the Drawbacks listed on the PDF was "Strict NAT" ....... Gamer's are going to love that one !
- Optimist17 years agoUp to speedWhere in the document is an implementation date mentioned?
- Anonymous7 years ago
When have you ever seen Virgin:
- Publicly discuss the IPv6 transition method they plan to use
- Explain their (LG's) deployment across the rest of Europe already using that transition mechanism
- Explain the changes to their core network and voice networks to enable IPv6
- Run a trial with more than 13,000 users (estimated)
- Commit to it coming "soon" with no caveats (Remember the best we've had is "second half of 2018 subject to content providers")
Sure, they didn't put a date on the launch. I know from personal experience what it takes to put a date on a large product launch. It's not fun and I can understand why they didn't announce that at a user group meeting like the IPv6 Council.
From all of the evidence VM are publicly serious about deploying IPv6 for the first time. Given the size of the UK VM deployment is going to be approximately what they have already deployed across Europe it's not surprising that we're going last but it seems almost certain that we're about to go.
- ravenstar687 years agoVery Insightful Person
Adduxi wrote:I noted one of the Drawbacks listed on the PDF was "Strict NAT" ....... Gamer's are going to love that one !
Not just gamers either. ;)
Note in their document it says - Almost transparent to customers
While people browsing the net, watching things like netflix and using facebook etc won't see a difference, there's a lot of people who will.
Tim
Edit - Indeed Google, Facebook and Netflix ave been IPv6 capable for some time.
- louis-m7 years agoUp to speed
I wonder how they will implement it for voom business customers which is currently done via an IPv4 GRE tunnel?
- Morgaine7 years agoSuperfast
@cthonus writes:
Guys - are you aware of Liberty's IPv6 rollout document [Dec 7th 2018]?
It's online at https://www.ipv6.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/LG-Virgin-IPv6-Rollout-UK-IPv6-Council.pdf
"IPv6 Broadband Product launch soon"Excellent info, despite lack of official date for release. Many thanks, cthonus!
- Morgaine7 years agoSuperfast
@davefiddes writes:
From all of the evidence VM are publicly serious about deploying IPv6 for the first time. Given the size of the UK VM deployment is going to be approximately what they have already deployed across Europe it's not surprising that we're going last but it seems almost certain that we're about to go.
I hope you're right, davefiddes!
Don't be too harsh on the pessimists though. I expect that they just don't want to get burned by Virgin again. Bleak precedent is certainly on their side, so I think their caution is understandable, after this very long and painful wait.
I choose to be optimistic about it once more, inline with what I'm seeing on APNIC stats.
I really want us to get beyond the phase of fighting ISPs for IPv6 and into the war against Internet sites who haven't yet started a transition. Provision of native IPv6 nationwide by UK ISPs is a necessary precondition for this next phase.
Morgaine.
- Anonymous7 years ago
Yes. Long way to go on getting services, protocols and content providers IPv6 enabled. It's just not part of everyday engineering practice yet.
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