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While Virgin ignores their customer requests for IPv6, you can switch to ADSL2+ (BT landline) and get the best native IPv6 support in the UK with AAISP, www.AAISP.net.uk . It's been a few years that AAISP provides native IPv6. They also give you a block of static, public IPv4 addresses as standard, no extra charges. "Real Internet", as they call it. NAT is completely optional -- I strongly recommend against NAT, especially if you'd also like to try using SIP VoIP.
(I'm not in any way affiliated with AAISP, other than being one of their happy customers at work, where we get a clean 16Mbps with ADSL2+. At home I still have Virgin Media, but that's only because ADSL gives me at most 3Mbps, while Virgin gives me 10Mbps or more.)
Hello
When IPV6 is rolled out accross the whole of the Internet then a lot of the ISP's will roll out IPV6, over a local network I dont really see a need as currently with BT they still have to use a Gateway from IPV6 to IPV4 due to the majority of the infrastructure on the Internet isnt IPV6.
Mike
- shire_dweller15 years agoOn our wavelength
IPv6 is definitely not limited to any local network. IPv6 is "already" (after only 15 years put forward as an Internet standard) in use by 1 to 6% of the global Internet, depending on how you measure it (data traffic, source address of website requests or BGP table advertisements). Check this article:
To name two big services you can right now access natively with IPv6: Google and YouTube. There are thousands more websites that are already IPv6 enabled, all over the world. Just search for them. In the UK, there doesn't seem to be that many ( http://www.ipv6.org.uk , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_deployment ) , but it would change radically if just one big provider like BT or Virgin Media started offering it to residential customers. As for the smaller providers, it's not just AAISP to offer it in the UK, there are a few others too. This search tool allows you to check the UK providers offering IPv6:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/search/package/advanced.html
In the USA, Comcast and Verizon have already started trials of IPv6 with residential customers. They are very large providers. ( http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Verizon-Begins-Residential-IPv6-FiOS-Test-107761 , http://www.internetnews.com/infra/article.phpr/3825696/Comcast+Embraces+IPv6.htm )
Obviously, in the transition period you can use both IPv4 and IPv6 simultaneously, it's not a matter of choosing one over the other.
Personally, what I look forward to gain from IPv6 is to eventually get rid of NAT completely and have plenty of public IP addresses to each household (hundreds, thousands), one for each and every Interned-enabled device, free of charge (many ISPs currently charge for blocks of IPv4 addresses). This would enable so many P2P applications -- not just file sharing, but mainly voice/video communications and all sorts of push/pull notifications -- that currently struggle to become popular because of the costs of getting around NAT. (Most of the big and popular comms services, say Skype, spend a lot of money on centralised server farms just because direct P2P comms are blocked by NAT. Yes, there are ways around NAT, but they are mostly non-standard and often require complex router port forwarding configurations that are beyond most users' comprehension, time or interest.) (Also: there are very many articles on how to achieve the private-network security which comes as a side effect of NAT while using public IPv6 addresses, for instance: http://www.deepdarc.com/2010/02/06/ipv6-security/ )
- Anonymous15 years ago
facebook is ipv6 ready to.
i am using ipv6 tunnel but this means i need another computer to support my ipv6.
I will be moving the the first ISP to support IPv6. VM clam to be the UK best and most advanced ISP but they will not offer a service that has been around since 1990. disappointing
- Anonymous15 years agoPinging www.v6.facebook.com [2620:0:1cfe:face:b00c::3] from 2001:470:935a:1234:2c72:d4b8:dde4:763a with 32 bytes of data:Reply from 2620:0:1cfe:face:b00c::3: time=161msReply from 2620:0:1cfe:face:b00c::3: time=162msReply from 2620:0:1cfe:face:b00c::3: time=161msReply from 2620:0:1cfe:face:b00c::3: time=162msPing statistics for 2620:0:1cfe:face:b00c::3:Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:Minimum = 161ms, Maximum = 162ms, Average = 161ms
Pinging www.v6.facebook.com [2620:0:1cfe:face:b00c::3] from 2001:470:935a:1234:2c72:d4b8:dde4:763a with 32 bytes of data:Reply from 2620:0:1cfe:face:b00c::3: time=161msReply from 2620:0:1cfe:face:b00c::3: time=162msReply from 2620:0:1cfe:face:b00c::3: time=161msReply from 2620:0:1cfe:face:b00c::3: time=162ms
Ping statistics for 2620:0:1cfe:face:b00c::3: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 161ms, Maximum = 162ms, Average = 161ms
- Jonessie15 years agoTuning in
First of all lets set the record straight with regards to IPv6. All customers with a standard knowledge of the Internet, are aware IPv4 is due to be phased out but not completely and is being replaced with IPv6. Some customers, granted not all of them... They tend to think changing over from IPv4 to IPv6 is basically a simple and straightforward process. When in fact, it's more complexed than you think. I'm not going to bore users to death with the facts because you are all intelligent enough to understand the difference between IPv4 and IPv6.
To set the record straight and stop some customers granted not all... With handbags at the ready...? World IPv6 is due for changeover on June 8th 2011, as you can appreciate and understand this is one of the biggest changes to the Internet since the birth of the Internet. Google and Facebook are committed and IPv6 will run on their main website for a period of 24 hours. Will IPv4 be phased out completely on the change over...? No it will not but will be phased out eventually, lets put this into perspective for a moment.
The modern Internet is built around IPv4 and provides 4.3 million addresses which is running out, and it's running out faster than first anticipated. Within the next 2 years. When I say run out, I basically mean it will run dry in the next two years. Some of you may be thinking "Hang on a moment... 2 years is miles away no problem plenty of time to make changes."
No ISP is going to commit and state categorically they are going to make changes, when it changes over they will make the necessary changes and inform their customers on how, what and when this will affect their clientèle. When it comes it will be changed, until then they will continue to state the normal basic answer.
"We do not have any plans at the moment, as this is a new technology it has to be tested before any changes are made. We will inform our customers when the time comes."
DO NOT Panic IPv4 will not be shut off on June 8th 2011, some people are saying it's going to turned off and millions of people will have no Internet access. IPv4 will be phased out gradually over a two year period until the well dries up completely.
:smileywink: Does this answer your questions
Thankfully my Cable/Router manufactures have updated their firmware to support IPv6 as not all manufactures are going to update their firmware and will force customers buy new Cable/Routers which I just think is just being inane and forcing customers to purchase a new Cable/Router
- chrissw15 years agoOn our wavelength
Well I don't know about IPV4 being "shut off" over a couple of years. Personally I can't see it happening that quickly, because there is far too much vested interest in, and far too much existing infrastructure on IPV4 for it to happen. I personally think we are going have 4 and 6 running side-by-side for quite a number of years. Granted, there will come time when any new public Internet service will have only an IPV6 address, and every ISP and their clients will have to deal with that. That is what worries me slightly, because there seems to be no sign of preparation for that event at many ISPs, and certainly not Virgin.
When Virgin say "we have enough IP addresses in reserve" (meaning IPV4 addresses) it only addresses (sorry about the pun) half the problem, in my opinion, because it does not provide any easy means for Virgin's clients to access any new IPV6-only services. Unless, that is, they are planning on providing bidirectional IPV4-to-6 transit of some sort within their own network, and transparently to IPV4-only clients.
(For anyone who is interested, my own home network is fully IPV6-enabled. I have an IPV6-in-IPV4 tunnel set up on my Cisco router to Hurricane Electric, who have allocated me a /48 IPV6 prefix. It works great, although the latency to any IPV6 address seems quite high, for reasons which are not clear to me at the moment).
- Anonymous15 years ago
new...
ipv6 has been about for 20 years.
ISP have had 20 years to test and upgrade. all the network is ipv6 ready. i'd be very supprised if a;; vm hardware is not v6 ready.
infact if i remember right back in teh NTL days on dialup i could use ipv6.
When the ipv4 addresses are gone is that when they shoud start testing...
No test before they need it. you can argue all you want about how its not going to be needed. well it is and the longer they wait the harder and more of a rush it will be. they have had 20 years.
I'd rather be with someone that hasn't blindly sat there thinking they do not need to take any action.
testing should already be done. it should be a config change now to swap everyone and add v6. if its not vm have alot of work to do to stay as the "best internet. the furture"
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