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- SephirothAlessandro Volta
Perhaps you could post the modem stats (upstream/downstream & network logs). Then we might spot something that isn't right.
We'd be looking for upstream modulation fluctuations or high power levels.
The Forum Team take a couple of days to get to a post and any additional evidence you post here will assist your case.
- joe4465Tuning in
Thanks the the reply, i've attached images for the stats and logs (if there is a better way to add this info, please let me know).
- Beth_G
Forum Team
Hi joe4465
Thanks for your post, welcome back to the forums!
Sorry to hear you've been experiencing some issues with your connection. Your BQM looks spot on to be honest, are you noticing an intermittent connection across both wired and wireless devices?
We've tried to run further diagnostics but it looks like you may be in modem mode. If you could please pop back into router mode when you get the chance and let us know if the issues persist, and we can then run further tests to see what may be causing this.
Keep us posted 😊
- joe4465Tuning in
I have put the router back into router mode, I will see if the issues persist over the next week.
- SephirothAlessandro Volta
I presume that they want to rule out your equipment as a drop out cause. But here’s the catch: it’ll be just your luck that when they are checking (the couple of minutes allocated to that task), all will be well and we are no further forward. If you are not using a Hub 5X, Do pls take my advice and post your modem stats particularly if you do it during an outage. The community is good at this and the elders know their stuff.
Regarding your setup-please describe it and reconfirm that both WiF and Ethernet cut out fot those 30 or so seconds. The BQM should have reflected the dropout and indeed it is too goodto be true unless you are on Full fibre ( and the I wouldn’t expect modem mode to work).
- joe4465Tuning in
Hey,
I will wait for it to happen this week and then grab some stats, is it everything from here that I need to post?
My setup was, hub 4 (modem mode), router (connected to the hub over ethernet), devices connected over wifi.
My setup is now, hub 4 (router mode), devices connected over wifi.
I will order an ethernet cable to confirm the same happens on ethernet.Thanks again
- jim3108On our wavelength
This exact thing has been happening to me. Most noticeable when on Teams calls or RDP where the upload channel drops out for about 10 pings and then comes back again. I can see/hear the other side but they can't see/hear me for that period. It seems to happen once or twice per hour. I tried logging a support call and they just fobbed me off.
Have you found any reason for this?
- joe4465Tuning in
I haven't yet, but interestingly it didn't happen yesterday with my hub in router mode. Not sure if it's a fluke, or it's actually my AP, or it's something to do with the hub firmware when in modem mode.
Do you have your hub in modem or router mode?
- Zach_RForum Team (Retired)
Hi joe4465,
I hope you're well. I'm checking in to see if the issues appear to be ongoing with your connection since your last post regarding this a few days ago? I've checked over things on our systems and I can't detect any known faults currently that would explain the problems you've faced.
Thanks,
- SephirothAlessandro Volta
WiFi is a total crapshoot. Drop-outs usually occur because of channel contention (or someone standing in front of the base WiFi router!).
The acid test for trying to locate the cause is to assess this against a wired device. In such cases of drop-out, it's nearly always a circuit issue (when it's not the PC operating system suddenly getting busy).
The upstream is a delicate thing. For a start, the channels operate in a noise-susceptible part of the RF spectrum (which is why you don't see high QAM numbers on the Docsis 3.0 channels). Also, the spectrum is confined to a 5 to 65 MHz range into which all users in a locality must fit, the allocated range varying from segment to segment.
When you want to transmit on the upstream, you request what is known as a "mini-slot". You'll get the first available mini-slot and that will allow a number of symbols onto the upstream, and so on until all your data has been sent. You can imagine how congested that might get at peak times - notice might.
It won't be your hardware, nor any firmware.
- jim3108On our wavelength
Mine is connected by ethernet via a UDM-PRO and that is connected from a SFP+ port to the 10GbE port on the VM Hub 5x. It is in Router Mode with DMZ to the port connected to the UDM-PRO.
There is no Wi-Fi involvement.
Every hour or so, it drops out 10 pings but only on the upload channel.Here is an example:
64 bytes from 151.101.0.81: icmp_seq=7154 ttl=57 time=11.178 ms64 bytes from 151.101.0.81: icmp_seq=7155 ttl=57 time=11.608 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.0.81: icmp_seq=7156 ttl=57 time=8.531 ms
Request timeout for icmp_seq 7157
Request timeout for icmp_seq 7158
Request timeout for icmp_seq 7159
Request timeout for icmp_seq 7160
Request timeout for icmp_seq 7161
Request timeout for icmp_seq 7162
Request timeout for icmp_seq 7163
Request timeout for icmp_seq 7164
Request timeout for icmp_seq 7165
64 bytes from 151.101.0.81: icmp_seq=7166 ttl=57 time=7.748 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.0.81: icmp_seq=7167 ttl=57 time=7.953 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.0.81: icmp_seq=7168 ttl=57 time=7.838 ms
Any ideas why it's only on upload channel?
- SephirothAlessandro Volta
@jim3108
Ah - Hub 5X. My earlier remarks were applicable only to the DOCSIS network which you don't use. In my experience, the usual reason for ping requests being timed out is to do with congestion. Any forwarding device en-route to San Francisco (which I believe is the end-point) can discard a ping request because it is of lowest priority. What happens if you ping BBC.CO.UK, which will have fewer hops?
- jim3108On our wavelength
That ping is to bbc.co.uk
ping bbc.co.uk
PING bbc.co.uk (151.101.0.81): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 151.101.0.81: icmp_seq=0 ttl=57 time=8.219 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.0.81: icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=7.761 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.0.81: icmp_seq=2 ttl=57 time=7.809 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.0.81: icmp_seq=3 ttl=57 time=8.112 ms
But where I'm pinging is irrelevant. It perfectly demonstrates the problem. There is a dropout on the upload channel for that short while - I can still hear people on calls and see RDP connections but I lose the ability for them to hear me or to move the mouse on the remote server.
Something is causing the upload channel only to drop out intermittently (about once per hour) for 10 seconds.
- SephirothAlessandro Volta
jim3108 wrote:That ping is to bbc.co.uk
ping bbc.co.uk
PING bbc.co.uk (151.101.0.81): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 151.101.0.81: icmp_seq=0 ttl=57 time=8.219 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.0.81: icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=7.761 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.0.81: icmp_seq=2 ttl=57 time=7.809 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.0.81: icmp_seq=3 ttl=57 time=8.112 ms
But where I'm pinging is irrelevant. It perfectly demonstrates the problem. There is a dropout on the upload channel for that short while - I can still hear people on calls and see RDP connections but I lose the ability for them to hear me or to move the mouse on the remote server.
Something is causing the upload channel only to drop out intermittently (about once per hour) for 10 seconds.
Fair enough. You did mention video calls etc in your first post (however the dropped ping requests are really due to refusals at the various hops). If I recall correctly, VM send hourly tests to the 5X hubs as part of their proving process. A Thinkbroadband BQM would reveal that if it is the case and it would prolly coincide with your situation. Maybe you could set one up and post a link to the result after, say, three hours to get the data.
- legacy1Alessandro Volta
ping VM DNS is a good test
- jim3108On our wavelength
Here is my BQM results: https://we.tl/t-q3KDotx9eJ
- SephirothAlessandro Volta
Please forgive me - it's not the XML we want (nor can conveniently use). It's the simple link that Thinkbroadband provide to your BQM.
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