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no you can't just add headers to tcp/udp packets. that's now he the network works. you can;t rewrite a protocol to add any data you like
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@wideboy32 wrote:

So the Sky Broadband Buddy looks like the sort of thing I'm looking for. As for the technical difficulties, yes I get that the public IP cannot differentiate single devices but could the router not add a header to distinguish the device? Ok, I admit I don't work on networks (mostly backend services and databases), but I don't think the industry should bury it's head in the sand. If it can't be done now, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be looked at in the future. Unplugging and removing devices from bedrooms every night shouldn't be the answer. But with any addiction, you need to be able to control it, which as a parent I can do in the day...but not in the middle of the night. Some people say switch the router off at night...but then we can't control our lights or heating. Yes I'm prepared to pay a little more extra for it. But I just don't understand why such a simple thing to set up on the router doesn't come as standard. I don't really want to buy another router just to set some time limits on my kids devices...but I'm looking now. Anyone got any suggestions for routers with this feature?


A quick look at Sky Broadband Buddy and it only works with devices where you can install the app on your child's device.  This, to me, seems much the same as setting the parental controls built into a device.  The SBB only seems to work with Android and iOS devices so would not help with game consoles.  So while better than VM's offering, as far as I can tell this is not at the level you require.

It doesn't come as standard because, once again, it comes down to cost.  Not just the implementation cost but the ongoing support costs.  VM don't add any functions or features unless they think they need it to compete with others (or the government makes then, e.g. WebSafe).  Right now advanced parental controls is not a customer winner IMHO. The only thing VM lead with is faster speeds, with pretty much everything else they follow the BT & Sky crowd if they produce an offering that seems to work.

If you don't mind paying for it then there are plenty of options out there and most routers will have other features and perform better than the VM hub, so I'd see it less as a chore and more as an opportunity to get better wireless speeds or coverage.

A quick Google search brings up these lists of best parental control routers:

https://www.lifewire.com/best-parental-control-routers-4160776

https://www.fatherly.com/gear/best-parental-control-devices-routers/

https://www.wifiattendance.com/blog/parental-control-routers/

All routers can be factory reset to bypass parental controls, if the kids have physical access to the router, but I believe Circle with Disney can send you a text message if your darling little cherubs have reset the router.

Why shouldn't removing devices at night be an answer?  If they had a knife or drugs in their room at night would you not remove them, or would that require a tech solution or someone else to deal with it for you?

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Thanks Scott, although I feel I've lost the debate it's been really useful so cheers to those who took the time to further it. Yes...maybe an 'opportunity' to upgrade & hopefully others will find it useful.

VM were so nearly there with the Connect app...I can pause them, but only if they're currently online, and then they have to ask me to unpause. It's a constant battle and nuisance doing this...would be so much better if I could set a time range or limit, and leave it at that (and that would be easy to implement from a software point of view if it can already pause manually). Yes, the weakness is resetting the router...but that's not in their bedrooms, so just takes that temptation away.

If they had a knife or drugs in their room, it would just be taken away permanently with a severe bollocking . But the internet isn't like that. It's an amazing tool and should be embraced...but not at 3am when they have school the next day.

 

Cheers all...

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Get a timer socket adaptor and plug the router into that.  Set it to switch off at 11PM and back on at 7AM.  This would be difficult if the router is plugged into an extension lead.  Or simply switch it off, then check the network logs to see if it's been switched on during the time it's supposed to be off.  Depends on how much you trust your kids...😐







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@wideboy32 wrote:

If they had a knife or drugs in their room, it would just be taken away permanently with a severe b*****king . But the internet isn't like that. It's an amazing tool and should be embraced...but not at 3am when they have school the next day.

If a device is doing harm, then it is no different to a knife.  Just because it is Internet enabled doesn't make it special or exempt from confiscation if it is misused.

I hope you find a solution but I'm not sure the answer lies solely with technology.

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@MrHalfAsleep wrote:

Get a timer socket adaptor and plug the router into that.  Set it to switch off at 11PM and back on at 7AM.  


Or get another Wireless AP set up "Kids_Wifi" on that and leave "normalWifi" on the hub. Set the timer switch to turn off the kids AP at nights. No loss to you. Never give them your main password and you can kill there connections without harming yours

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this is bad solution.

what should be there, a very simple parental control on the hub management itself. The options what you can do from the Hub controls are so limited that you essentially cannot do anything. It should not be that hard, especially when all 3rd party routers offer that option.

It is especially important these days, when kid are home schooled and parents also work from home - we cannot sit behind our kids all day, asking them to study instead of sitting on youtube. I mean - we can, but it is almost impossible to control them.
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@yessuz wrote:
It should not be that hard, especially when all 3rd party routers offer that option.


Yes 3rd party routers may offer that option much like anything else you buy you are given the hub that gives you a internet connection VM make it simple to you so unless you throw money at VM other then your subscription for broadband its not going to happen and VM can turn round and say we don't want your money to add options in router mode. I have a idea I would like VM put in their hub for real DMZ but its not going to happen.      

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i'd like VM to add site 2 site VPN. most 3rd party router can do it so VM can. just put everyone's price up a £1/month to pay for it for me 🙂
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VM NEW WAN DHCP nearly broke (well part of) my setup of a custom real DMZ that had worked fine for years on their OLD WAN DHCP luckily most of my setup still works for what I need but would VM fix the problem I'm having with their NEW DHCP unlikely so maybe DAI modified might fix it even if it cost me £1000 which likely is not enough so it may never get fixed.😔

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