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<email@example.com>: host mx.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net[220.127.116.11] said: 421 4.2.0 MXIN618 Temporary SMC Policy Violation detected, retry later ;id=gsaBngRTJ5AFugsaCn0NcN;sid=gsaBngRTJ5AFu;mta=mx7.tb;dt=2022-04-19T20:28:13+02:00;ipsrc=18.104.22.168; (in reply to end of DATA command)
I've copied the important bits from the message and obscured the email address
The IP address that's causing the issue is this one:
I've posted the address because it's not your personal IP address..
Rather it's the IP address of the forwarding email server used by your registrar.
I don't want to speak too soon but I noticed at midnight today that about 30-40 e-mails came in that I suspect were all previously being bounced.
I haven't seen any more bounces so far today so I assume someone in the VM technical team has made some tweaks? Thank you to whoever you are 😁
FYI I pinged a note back to UK2.net who provide my forwarding service and their response was:
"Our email team advises "421 4.2.0 MXIN618 Temporary SMC Policy Violation detected, retry later" indicates a temporary greylisting of our UK2 IP, likely because it's hit a few inbound spams traps with Virgin."
I'm flagging here in the hope that there might be some sandboxing put in place, such as pre-testing inbound VM spam traps or anything else that affects user experience prior to go-live changes.
I am hoping the above will be of benefit to other VM email customers who are experiencing similar issues.
It does seem that someone is on the right track now.
My issue (reported earlier in this thread) is almost exactly the same as yours. I have a personal domain that forwards email to my VM email inbox. When it gets bounced, the error message is sent to me (the domain admin) and these are the msgs get that get through - hence we see all the SMC errors in our Inboxes..
Thanks to Ravenstar, I looked back at all of my SMC bounced emails - they nearly all have the same email address for ipsrc: 22.214.171.124
However my ISP is Enom (part of Tucows in US). I wonder if UK2 uses the 'hosteremail.com' servers too.
I have done a Tracert (see below) and always get the 'hiccup' on legs 4 and 5. I don't know if that is relevant or not.
Same with Tracert to 126.96.36.199 , which is their forwarding server and is sometimes is the ipsrc server in the SMC error message.
Hopefully VM can take this address off the black list too.
Tracing route to forward2.hostedemail.com [188.8.131.52] over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 2 ms 192.168.0.1 2 11 ms 13 ms 12 ms 10.53.39.189 3 15 ms 10 ms 9 ms hari-core-2b-xe-11011-0.network.virginmedia.net [184.108.40.206] 4 * * * Request timed out. 5 * * * Request timed out. 6 13 ms 12 ms 13 ms m686-mp2.cvx1-b.lis.dial.ntli.net [220.127.116.11] 7 17 ms 24 ms 16 ms 18.104.22.168 8 14 ms 12 ms 19 ms ldn-bb1-link.ip.twelve99.net [22.214.171.124] 9 99 ms 99 ms 102 ms nyk-bb2-link.ip.twelve99.net [126.96.36.199] 10 114 ms 111 ms 114 ms toro-b2-link.ip.twelve99.net [188.8.131.52] 11 111 ms 114 ms 110 ms toro-b5-link.ip.twelve99.net [184.108.40.206] 12 119 ms 112 ms 110 ms tingfiberinc-svc082796-ic372724.ip.twelve99-cust.net [220.127.116.11] 13 115 ms 111 ms 110 ms xe-0-1-1.0.br02-toon03.tingfiber.net [18.104.22.168] 14 113 ms 95 ms 93 ms et-0-0-2.iar02.bra2.tucows.cloud [22.214.171.124] 15 111 ms 176 ms 268 ms csr-te2.9.4.bra.tucows.net [126.96.36.199] 16 110 ms 110 ms 117 ms sdl04a-l0.bra2.tucows.cloud [188.8.131.52] 17 114 ms 111 ms 122 ms forward2.hostedemail.com [184.108.40.206]
Indeed, I am not fully confident that the issue is resolved as yet because although my forwarded emails are now coming in, there seems to be quite a delay in them arriving. For example I sent a test e-mail to my VM address and it arrived in <1 min. I sent an e-mail to my domain name e-mail and it hasn't yet arrived after 2 hours.
It is almost as if someone is playing with the firewall/SPAM/greylist settings but not quite being sure what effect the changes are having and to who.
It would be nice to reduce the amount of abstraction between end-users like you and me and those making the tweaks so that we can both verify if we're happy with the result -- the feedback loop is a little too wide and loose ATM IMHO.
I think we agree that things are moving in the right direction though which is good.
Just as I was thinking that I wasn't seeing any more bounces, they are back again today, and with the same IP as before:
host mx.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net[220.127.116.11] said: 554 5.2.0 MXIN603 DMARC validation failed. ;id=jhXsnYtft5KUmjhXtnWLnl;sid=jhXsnYtft5KUm;mta=mx9.tb;dt=2022-04-27T15:17:31+02:00;ipsrc=18.104.22.168; (in reply to end of DATA command)
I'd have to look at the attached email but DMARC validation failures can be caused by mail forwarding when the original sender only uses SPF as an authentication mechanism, or where the mail gets modified in transit, thus invalidating DKIM
One of the reasons I recommend against mail forwarding services if you own your own domain. Better to have the mail delivered directly to your own servers.
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