ok i ordered hub 5, 3 weeks ago the lady said she never has ordered one of these, she got it sorted and i asked about the phone, put me on hold then after a short time told me she spoke to tech and said it had been fixed,also when the engineer came out we asked about this and he said the same, so don't tell me vm don't know nothing about it, quick question, new hub released after being tested, why release it if you knew there was a phone issues, does that make sense to anybody, all that money spent on the hub 5 if what i can gather you knew about the problem, why let it out to testers, i pay for a working phone line if your equipment fails like it has, vm has a lot of eating humble pie saying sorry to everyone.