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It seems that if you are on one of Comcast’s plans with speeds of 300Mbps or more per month there is no additional cost to lease the gateway.

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No additional cost above the normal rental charge to lease gateways, no, but still not free. 

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It does not require specialist kits no more... 10gbps capable cards can be had as cheap as £20/30 these days, 2.5Gbps, 5Gbps & 10Gbps ports are now as standard on new Desktop/Laptop releases... Also if VM didn't choose to team up with Intel to make their Modem/Router then we wouldn't be paying for the extra tax associated with that as there are a number of alternative/cheaper companies whom will make the same or better equipment and anyway that doesn't matter now that Apple has purchased Intel's modem business, so I wonder whom the next supplier will be for VM?
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Apple bought Intel's mobile modem assets, that had nothing to do with Intel's chipset operations that power fixed line and cable modems.  Not to mention that it is Arris (formerly part of Motorola) who make VM's hubs.  So Apple had nothing to do with VM's hubs before, and now they continue to have to do with VM's hubs.  Nothing changes for VM who will in any event have locked in a 4-6 year supply deal for the Arris-manufactured, Intel Puma powered Hub 4.

Even if there were a new chipset supplier (broadcom) and a new manufacturer (many available), VM would still specify the cheapest possible spec and build and the hub would remain utterly mediocre.  I very much doubt that you or I are "paying extra tax" for VM's choice of hardware - and I'd prefer that they actually spent MORE on their hubs to give us a better quality product.

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Even if there were a new chipset supplier (broadcom) and a new manufacturer (many available), VM would still specify the cheapest possible spec and build and the hub would remain utterly mediocre.  I very much doubt that you or I are "paying extra tax" for VM's choice of hardware - and I'd prefer that they actually spent MORE on their hubs to give us a better quality product.


So VM are getting their hardware for free, given none of us are 'paying extra tax' which I presume means aren't paying anything for supply of kit from VM?

The cost of leasing the hubs is baked into the product costs. Comcast etc have to state it separately as US law requires that they allow customers to purchase and install their own modems if they so desire. They find other ways to extract money from their subscribers other than the baseline pricing though so they're good.

The vast majority of punters couldn't care less as long as their 'WiFi' works and would object to paying more, taking their business elsewhere, so that us geeks and nerds get ngbase-T ports.

VM are a mass market ISP with some vanity tier high bandwidth products provided as cheaply as is feasible. They are not niche, technically focused or on the leading edge in any way, shape or form as the prices they can charge and, hence, the budgets they have do not permit it. They will do the bare minimum required to succeed in their markets. The sooner people grasp this and stop expecting VM to suddenly start behaving like Andrews and Arnold - https://www.aa.net.uk/ - the better.

VM didn't even agree the deal for the Hub 4 and didn't get to choose their CPE, Liberty Global did at group level.

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@louij2 wrote:
It does not require specialist kits no more... 10gbps capable cards can be had as cheap as £20/30 these days, 2.5Gbps, 5Gbps & 10Gbps ports are now as standard on new Desktop/Laptop releases... Also if VM didn't choose to team up with Intel to make their Modem/Router then we wouldn't be paying for the extra tax associated with that as there are a number of alternative/cheaper companies whom will make the same or better equipment and anyway that doesn't matter now that Apple has purchased Intel's modem business, so I wonder whom the next supplier will be for VM?

Please point me to one of these 10GBase-T cards that can be purchased new for £20/30.

Please point me to the ngbase-T cards that are on 'standard', not enthusiast-level, 'standard', desktop and laptop equipment. I'm not sure something like https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASRock-Fatal1ty-Z370-Professional-Gaming/dp/B07638T1N4 can be called a standard bit of kit.

I am genuinely interested in this as I'm about to spend £130 each on 2 4 x SFP+ port switches, another £50 a pop on a pair of 10G SFP+, and then £110-ish on a 2 x SFP+ port NIC and £50 on a pair of DACs.

If I can do this for a fraction of the cost by just using a Microserver and some of these £20-30 10Gbase-T cards that'd be great, however I reckon you've googled for 10Gb cards and found DACs which wouldn't be any use here without SFP+ ports either side.

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I didn't say it would be RJ-45 because if you are running 10Gbps speeds and no recent motherboard you may as well go fibre https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mellanox-ConnectX2/143486939812?hash=item21687cf2a4:g:SC0AAOSwTqteCfWq is the Pcie card that you need and you can get a Cisco transceiver for £8 off fs.com and if you are going to 10Gbps you will need a new switch anyway 4 port sfp+ Mikrotik one is like £130 but then you are getting into professional kit but its not exactly expensive anymore? I'll post some pictures up my MMF fibre cables where like £8 too. Also if you are in the realm of needing 10Gbps and are building a PC then https://www.scan.co.uk/products/asrock-x470-taichi-ultimate-amd-am4-ryzen-rgb-motherboard is readily available and so are or https://www.amazon.co.uk/SONNET-TECHNOLOGIES-Thunderbolt-Ethernet-10GBase-T/dp/B07BZRK8R8/ref=asc_df... for the Mac users. But yeah 10Gbase-T is like £48 for a transceiver module or £270 for a switch

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Sorry, I thought we were talking about getting a connection to the actual hub itself. A used SFP+ card from eBay and a cheap optical transceiver isn't going to do that much for you and I seriously doubt Liberty Global will put an SFP+ cage in the next hub.

Have to wait for 2.5 Gb over copper. Those devices do exist but are really, really new and not cheap. DoCSIS 3.1 modems, not gateways, modems, are still expensive compared with their 3.0 counterparts so it'll be a while before Liberty Global can move on to WiFi 6 and 2.5 Gb ports.

However, a firmware update to allow for use of LACP in modem or router mode wouldn't go amiss. I bet the switch chipset supports it.

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I don't want 10Gbps anyway I wanted 1Gbps, I am just showing that if 10Gbps is that simple on a LAN surely 1Gbps to a few homes who pay for it down the kit that is already in place or this new kit is very possible lol

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