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EU copyright law article 13 and 11(meme ban) this will possibly affect virgin's buisness

I am abit late to telling you about this, Im passinate to get the message out there if people on this forum don't already know. It will effect the way people will use the intenet in the uk.

Article 11(15) might block google news and other new aregators in the EU like in spain with a similar law, news publishers will lose money and traffic. Article 13(17) might mean sites like:Youtube, Instragram, Facebook and possibly this forum overblocking content to not get fines from the companies if they don't have the licence to have videos,memes and photos.  The Uk will be affected by this.

Upload filters would be implimented on evey website with user generated content.

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note the word "might", that word is used multiple times.
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https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/03/26/europe_article_13/

Among the rules adopted, two have received the lion's share of attention: Article 15 and Article 17, which used to be called Article 13 and Article 15 until someone had the clever idea to renumber them.

Article 15 (née 13) will require news aggregators like Google News that want to display content from news providers to obtain a license for anything more than "very short extracts." Google, predictably, has opposed the plan.

Article 15 has been derided as a "link tax" that will damage small publishers and news-related startups.

That's not true, the European Parliament insists, noting that hyperlinking has explicitly been exempted in the directive.

 

Article 17 (née 15) allows websites to be sued for copyright violations by their users, which websites in the US can avoid thanks to Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.

Article 17, it's been said, will require internet companies to adopt upload filters to prevent copyright liability arising from users. Essentially, filters may be needed to stop folks submitted copyrighted work to social networks, forums, online platforms, and other sites. That's a possibility, but not a certainty.

"The draft directive however does not specify or list what tools, human resources or infrastructure may be needed to prevent unremunerated material appearing on the site," the European Commission explains.

"There is therefore no requirement for upload filters. However, if large platforms do not come up with any innovative solutions, they may end up opting for filters."

 

For what it's worth, the ability of people to share memes and the like will remain unimpeded: "...uploading memes and other content generated by users for purposes of quotation, criticism, review, caricature, parody and pastiche (like GIFs or similar) will be specifically allowed," according to the European Commission.

Despite the EU Parliament vote, there's another vote coming up: a majority of EU member states now need to approve the final text when representatives meet next month. And after that, the Directive needs to be implemented by each member state, and those implementations may not be the same.

Now, a two-year countdown begins before EU countries turn the Directive into national law. And during that time, expect advocacy groups to challenge the requirements in court. ®

 

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

 




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The new law is to reduce copyright theft, and not before time.

Anyone behaving reasonably will not suffer. 

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@jpeg1 wrote:

The new law is to reduce copyright theft, and not before time.

Anyone behaving reasonably will not suffer. 


The implementation is likely to do more harm than not and to suggest anyone behaving reasonably will not suffer is misleading IMHO.

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@用心棒 wrote:

@jpeg1 wrote:

The new law is to reduce copyright theft, and not before time.

Anyone behaving reasonably will not suffer. 


The implementation is likely to do more harm than not and to suggest anyone behaving reasonably will not suffer is misleading IMHO.


but if you're making money out of other peoples content without the consent to use it then you're not behaving reasonably.
the "youtube generation" seem to be doing a lot of that at the moment.

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@chenks wrote:

@用心棒 wrote:

@jpeg1 wrote:

The new law is to reduce copyright theft, and not before time.

Anyone behaving reasonably will not suffer. 


The implementation is likely to do more harm than not and to suggest anyone behaving reasonably will not suffer is misleading IMHO.


but if you're making money out of other peoples content without the consent to use it then you're not behaving reasonably.
the "youtube generation" seem to be doing a lot of that at the moment.


Implementation is more than likely to be automated and harm will be caused when it cannot reliably determine if the use is within copyright limitation and/or exception or even if it is copyrighted.

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if the system errs on the side of assuming consent has not been received then i'd say that's fair.
if you have consent then you simply provide it and the content will be re-instated.

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Thank you for demonstrating the harm so clearly; see Guidance, Exceptions to copyright, for instance Fair Dealing.

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@用心棒 wrote:

Thank you for demonstrating the harm so clearly; see Guidance, Exceptions to copyright, for instance Fair Dealing.


yes, and i said if the content falls into that category then it's not going to be a problem.
if gets removed incorrectly then you appeal the decision and it'll get restored.
the only people that need to be worried are those that are using content that isn't fair.

i'm sure you would agree that if you spent time creating something, then someone came along and made it available without permission and earned money from it you'd be a little disgruntled.