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Morning all from Birmingham

I administer a mailman system that has worked for a number of years. Postings to it are delivered to my blueyonder address. I have just created another mailman and my blueyonder address rejects the incoming mail as spam.

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@nancledre wrote:

Postings to it are delivered to my blueyonder address. I have just created another mailman and my blueyonder address rejects the incoming mail as spam


I am not familiar with GNU or Mailman but presumably you are seeing a Bounce  message / Non Delivery Report as a result of that rejection.

Can you post a copy of that report here but with the email addresses redacted? By redacted I mean hide the part of the email addresses before the @ symbol but leave the domain name in view. 😉

Without seeing that Non Delivery Report there is not a lot to work on.

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Hi Coenoby

No report. just the mail in the junk/spam folder

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So let me get this right. Your issue is that the mail gets through but is marked as spam. Not that the mail is rejected and never reaches the address? Two very different scenarios.

Post the header from the incoming mail - redacted as described by coenoby - and we will look at possibly why it was marked a spam. But I'll tell you this. Unless your mailman delivery system is configured properly the VM servers will treat the mail from that source as spam. VM are getting stricter and stricter on the treatment of incoming mail. The fact that is worked in the past is no guarantee that it'll work in the way you expect now.



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Ok both and thanks for responding.

The mail goes straight into spam at VM, neither the sender nor the list admin gets a rejection notice. I do not see a report as such.

As additional info, I also administer another mailman system which has been in place for 3-4 years. Mails from this system get delivered to me with no problems. The new system has exactly the same setup as the original.

If there is other info available at VM level then can you give me guidance about accessing it please.

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You are not being clear. Is the mail delivered to your VM mail (web mail) spam folder or is it not? If it is going into the spam folder it is not being rejected by VM, just apparently wrongly assigned as spam ( don't know what you are sending, and no do not I actually care but some of your recipients might be marking it as spam). If it is not being delivered then it is being rejected by VM, so which is it? There is no scenario that says the mail goes into spam at VM and you don't see it. Mail is either delivered to your web mail mailbox and then the relevant folder,  or it isn't delivered.

There is no other information available at VM level, until we can correctly understand what is happening.



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Ok

The new system has only two subscribers (for test purposes), one my blueyonder address, the other my icloud address.  I originate a mail to the system and it then gets delivered to the two addresses. 

Except that the one to my blueyonder address always ends up in the VM spam folder.

I have tried releasing it as not spam in the hope that the VM system "learns", but the next one goes into spam

Hope that makes sense

 

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Does the the received email's source text contain the following line, if so what is its value?

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@nancledre wrote:

Except that the one to my blueyonder address always ends up in the VM spam folder


Just to clarify what VIP 用心棒 means by 'source text' in their last post, you can view that by signing in to your VM Webmail account from here https://mail2.virginmedia.com/ 

Then, to view the 'source' (also known as 'email header')"

  1. Select the relevant message in your SPAM folder
  2. Click the More icon 
     

    (the 3 horizontal bars  in the toolbar.)

  3. Select View Source from the menu.

  4. The source is then displayed in the View Source window

Hope that helps

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Thanks for that, here goes

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