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Virgin maintains its reputation as the worst broadband provider

JemShaw
Tuning in

I've run out of ideas for how to get VM to respond to - or possibly even notice - my repeated complaints. As I could get no WiFi service in my office, I upgraded to their plus package (can't remember the exact name), which "guaranteed", I think, 20Mb in every room. It didn't work. After the usual difficulty in getting to speak to someone, I requested the guaranteed further extension pod, only to be told that the advertised guarantee didn't exist. I was persuaded, unwillingly, to upgrade my package from 300Mb (already more than adequate) to 1Gb (not neede), as this DID carry the guarantee. I was promised a post-delivery phone call to ensure everything was now OK. Of course, that didn't happen.
I once again penetrated the delays and obfuscations to get contact and was required to wander from room to room, sending screenshots of my Virgin app. It was agreed that there was no service in my office, and a pod was promised. Unsurprisingly, that didn't happen either.
Several failed contacts later, I gave notice that, as my sole reason for upgrading was to receive the extra pod in accordance with the guarantee, I would terminate my account on 30th September. On 13th September, I received a call from a complaint handler, who asked me to perform the coverage tests. As I was in an airport terminal prior to leaving the UK for 10 days, I explained this was not possible, and anyway the tests had already been performed. Much discussion later, I was promised delivery of an extender pod before my return to the UK on the 22nd (My wife was a home to sign for receipt). This didn't happen either.
I've since sent repeated complaints and engaged in chat sessions to try to resolve the matter. Promises to escalate my complaint have been made, but never executed. Each time I've reiterated my intention to close my account unless Virgin provides the contracted and guaranteed service. As the contract had not been performed, I would not pay any early cancellation fee. Each of these produced the same copy-and-paste response:

Thanks so much for the chat on 04/10/2024. We’re very happy to be able to resolve things for you.

Here’s a quick recap

Your complaint was:
Cable -> Customer Experience -> Complaint Handling

And here’s what we agreed:
Package -> Extra info on package and product

In fact nothing had been agreed and no action was taken, other than for the complaint to be closed.
As I needed time to appoint an alternative provider, I decided to extend my cancellation by paying my October subscription, extending cancellation to November. I received an email acknowledging the cancellation and stating that my final bill would be £94. As this indicated that Virgin Media had accepted my statement of non-performance, I arranged a new contract with Sky. Virgin responded by demanding a cancellation fee of around £780 (I say around because two emails were received, quoting different figures).
I've tried to raise a dispute, but once again am unable to speak to anyone with authority. I've been promised escalation and a call-back, but, and this may come as a surprise, received none.
I am referring the case to the Communications Ombudsman, but this is going to take time, and I have no idea whether Virgin will attempt to block the transfer to Sky.
If anyone has any idea on how to get through to this appalling company, I'll be most grateful for your advice.

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goslow
Alessandro Volta

If VM believes you owe money, and are still in a minimum term, it will not allow you to cancel without paying EDF. You can leave in a minimum term by paying an early disconnection fee. Unless you have explicit written confirmation from VM that you can cancel with no EDF, due to VM failing to provide the service advertised, then you should assume that you haven't actually cancelled (or that you may have cancelled but VM is expecting EDF from you). Once VM has you locked into a minimum term, it will not let you go easily.

The broadband speed guarantee applies to speeds to the VM hub (not wifi).

https://www.virginmedia.com/legal/speed-policy

The wifi speed guarantee is different. You can add Wifi Max for £8 per month (included in 1Gb and Volt packages)

https://www.virginmedia.com/virgin-tv-edit/tips-and-tricks/wifi-guarantee

which will give you up to 3 VM pods (previous offering was Intelligent WiFi Plus)

https://prod.ctassets.virginmedia.com/uploads/Wi_Fi_Max_POST_21_JUL_2023_v3_059b6b25db.pdf

It's a bit confusing to follow all the details of what happened but it's not clear why you upgraded to the 1Gb package if you already had the wifi max/plus add-on (though we often see on here VM sales agents upselling a package speed and claiming it will resolve a wifi issue, which it will not).

How many pods did you get from VM in the end and did they make any difference to the wifi coverage?

If the speed to the hub is good and reliable, many on here would suggest ignoring VM equipment and putting the hub into modem mode and using your own wireless equipment to get the required coverage. Less to do with VM administering your wifi setup the better.

If 8 weeks have elapsed since you first complained to VM you can go to the ombudsman with a complaint

https://www.commsombudsman.org/our-process

which might be quicker than you think based on some past feedback on here.

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goslow
Alessandro Volta

If VM believes you owe money, and are still in a minimum term, it will not allow you to cancel without paying EDF. You can leave in a minimum term by paying an early disconnection fee. Unless you have explicit written confirmation from VM that you can cancel with no EDF, due to VM failing to provide the service advertised, then you should assume that you haven't actually cancelled (or that you may have cancelled but VM is expecting EDF from you). Once VM has you locked into a minimum term, it will not let you go easily.

The broadband speed guarantee applies to speeds to the VM hub (not wifi).

https://www.virginmedia.com/legal/speed-policy

The wifi speed guarantee is different. You can add Wifi Max for £8 per month (included in 1Gb and Volt packages)

https://www.virginmedia.com/virgin-tv-edit/tips-and-tricks/wifi-guarantee

which will give you up to 3 VM pods (previous offering was Intelligent WiFi Plus)

https://prod.ctassets.virginmedia.com/uploads/Wi_Fi_Max_POST_21_JUL_2023_v3_059b6b25db.pdf

It's a bit confusing to follow all the details of what happened but it's not clear why you upgraded to the 1Gb package if you already had the wifi max/plus add-on (though we often see on here VM sales agents upselling a package speed and claiming it will resolve a wifi issue, which it will not).

How many pods did you get from VM in the end and did they make any difference to the wifi coverage?

If the speed to the hub is good and reliable, many on here would suggest ignoring VM equipment and putting the hub into modem mode and using your own wireless equipment to get the required coverage. Less to do with VM administering your wifi setup the better.

If 8 weeks have elapsed since you first complained to VM you can go to the ombudsman with a complaint

https://www.commsombudsman.org/our-process

which might be quicker than you think based on some past feedback on here.

JemShaw
Tuning in

Thanks GoSlow, all good information and very much appreciated.

Yes, you're quite right that I should have received the guarantee under my WifiMax contract, which I've now hunted out and seen the confirmation. The Virgin adviser specifically denied this guarantee and I, somewhat stupidly, believed her. I've never received any further pods, despite several promises to send.

You're also quite right that Virgin won't let go of the early cancellation fee, despite clear proof that the contract was mis-sold. They also won't discuss it or refer my complaint for escalation. I've requested a deadlock letter and had already put in a Data Subject Rights Request.

I'm astonished (though I guess I shouldn't be) that Virgin has adopted such an intransigent and unapologetic stance.
Thanks again!

Adduxi
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You are not the first, nor I suspect will you be the last to have been "upsold" to a higher speed tier to solve a problem.

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goslow
Alessandro Volta

Once 8 weeks has passed since your first VM complaint you can go to arbitration in any case, no need for a deadlock letter. Failure to provide a deadlock letter would be an aggravating factor though in the poor complaint handling.

The DSAR should provide evidence of the mis-selling of the 1 Gb and failure to provide further pods as per wifi max terms (although be aware VM's processes for DSAR have been criticised in the past for failures to deliver what was required so expect them to be as good as VM's complaint handling!).

Hi @JemShaw, thank you for your post.

We're sorry to hear about the poor experience you've had and that you feel this way 😔

In order to look into this for you further, we'll send you a private message on here. Look out for the envelope in the top right-hand corner.

If you're on a portable device with a smaller screen, click on the icon in the top right-hand corner and select "messages" from the additional menu options.

Regards,
Daniel