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jhuk
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Re: Wi-fi hotspots on the way

I also read that but do not really agree with it.

I disabled my Hotspot and do not expect to use others peeps HUB3's  (signal would never reach street anyhow) but yes for the public Cloud in KFC etc as I always have use that and that is separate from this new service.

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You can use The Cloud network separately to Virgin Media WiFi, however doing that uses an open SSID i.e. you connect to it, and then use a webpage to enter your user details to gain internet access. This means any data traffic between your device and the wireless network isn't encrypted.

Virgin Media WiFi uses Enterprise WPA to connect, so you use a secure connection to The Cloud network and the other access points with a configured device.

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Re: Wi-fi hotspots on the way

I use the VM App so it auto joins the Cloud on my initial say so 1st time I go to that new location say KFC, so now it auto joins in KFC and even after a full erase and Google backup/restore to my phone its all still set up. Smiley Wink

I'm not big on my mobile (not a mobile phone zombie and hate them) and do not need surf the web while out, mainly music in my ears from SD card.

This is a bit like leeching on Torrents now if everyone decides to OPT Out then there will be no SEEDS (service) lol.

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@jhuk wrote:

I use the VM App so it auto joins the Cloud on my initial say so 1st time I go to that new location say KFC, so now it auto joins in KFC and even after a full erase and Google backup/restore to my phone its all still set up. Smiley Wink

 


It's up to you how you manage your own device but without the app there is no guarantee that your access will remain.

The Enterprise WPA certificates will have a built in expiry date, and may also be updated from time to time. Without the app you won't get those updates, and without the updates you won't then have the authorisation to access the secure networks.

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Re: Wi-fi hotspots on the way

Hi,

Thought that this would be the most appropriate place to ask.

Really excited about the Wi-Fi hotspots which will soon be happening. Just wanted some finer detail than is available on the site.

Is using the app the only way to use the hotspots? For example, can I use my laptop? Could someone with a Windows phone (I noted there are only Android and Apple apps available currently) use them?

 

Regards,

Chris

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Re: Wi-fi hotspots on the way

While this seems like an attractive idea, essentially trading off some of my bandwidth to be able to use others, the privacy implications seem horrendous.

While I understand the guest connections are on a different SSID, are they on a different IP address? Seems very unlikely, given VM doesn't have IPv6 support, and IPv4 addresses are expensive and scarce.

So, police raid illegal porn site, find MY IP address in their server logs, and come knocking on MY door, when it was someone else connecting through my router.

It also makes a nonsense of the government forcing ISPs to collect internet connection records. It already didn't isolate individuals, but for crime and terrorist monitoring that probably wasn't vital - except now, if it uses the same IP address, anyone can say quite legitimately, "it wasn't me".

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@davidearl wrote:

While this seems like an attractive idea, essentially trading off some of my bandwidth to be able to use others, the privacy implications seem horrendous.

It doesn't use your bandwidth. It is a totally separate 10Mb "enterprise" connection.

While I understand the guest connections are on a different SSID, are they on a different IP address? Seems very unlikely, given VM doesn't have IPv6 support, and IPv4 addresses are expensive and scarce.

Users on the connection can't see your devices & you can't see theirs. Its a totally separate connection.

So, police raid illegal porn site, find MY IP address in their server logs, and come knocking on MY door, when it was someone else connecting through my router.

It is the device using the connection they are after, be it through your hub or elsewhere. Users log into WiFi Hotspots with their own Virgin account details, so are traceable by the authorities.

It also makes a nonsense of the government forcing ISPs to collect internet connection records. It already didn't isolate individuals, but for crime and terrorist monitoring that probably wasn't vital - except now, if it uses the same IP address, anyone can say quite legitimately, "it wasn't me".


FAQ is here: http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/Digital-life/Virgin-Media-WiFi-Hotspots/ba-p/3626325

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Users on the connection can't see your devices & you can't see theirs. Its a totally separate connection

Yes, of course, you couldn't possibly do it any other way. But given the history of these things, it seems only a matter of time before someone finds a vulnerability and exploits it to get into a private network.

> It is the device using the connection they are after, be it through your hub or elsewhere.
Users log into WiFi Hotspots with their own Virgin account details, so are traceable by the authorities.

Yes, of course. But if their starting point is a website's server logs, all they have is the IP address (and maybe a UserAgent string), so things that would previously have identified only me and my household no longer can. I'm sure you could track the devices that were connected through my IP address at a certain time, but it means someone else's nefarious activity on my IP address would at the very least leave me under suspicion.

There is no way I would share my home IP address with strangers, and I would strongly recommend anyone else opts out until such time as you can provide unique IP addresses. Even then there's the vulnerability issue.

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@davidearl wrote:

 

Yes, of course. But if their starting point is a website's server logs, all they have is the IP address (and maybe a UserAgent string), so things that would previously have identified only me and my household no longer can. I'm sure you could track the devices that were connected through my IP address at a certain time, but it means someone else's nefarious activity on my IP address would at the very least leave me under suspicion.

There is no way I would share my home IP address with strangers, and I would strongly recommend anyone else opts out until such time as you can provide unique IP addresses. Even then there's the vulnerability issue.


Completely different IP addresses are already used for devices connecting to the Virgin Media WiFi hotspots than the IP address assigned to your home broadband connection.

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Well, yes, the LAN address and subnet would be different, but are you saying there will be multiple WAN addresses assigned to a single domestic hub when this starts happening? Do users of WiFi hotspots currently operate through NAT so all users of one hotspot share a common external IP address?

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