on 09-02-2021 13:29
Day by day my latency gets worse and worse.
Wired connection in modem mode, connected to tp link archer c4000 (all cat 6 cables).
Only 4 devices connected. 2 wired + 2 wifi.
350mb, HUB3 in Reading area.
Snap shot....
https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broadband/monitoring/quality/share/2c90f3e8d3b925d928c0bcd773dcf108db...
Live....
https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broadband/monitoring/quality/share/b458c524725278d2e9cee955d93abc2c53616c62
Downstream bonded channels
Channel Frequency (Hz) Power (dBmV) SNR (dB) Modulation Channel ID
1 | 723000000 | 4.5 | 40 | 256 qam | 40 |
2 | 539000000 | 5.8 | 40 | 256 qam | 17 |
3 | 547000000 | 5.5 | 40 | 256 qam | 18 |
4 | 555000000 | 5.5 | 40 | 256 qam | 19 |
5 | 563000000 | 5.6 | 40 | 256 qam | 20 |
6 | 571000000 | 5.5 | 40 | 256 qam | 21 |
7 | 579000000 | 5.5 | 40 | 256 qam | 22 |
8 | 587000000 | 5.8 | 40 | 256 qam | 23 |
9 | 595000000 | 5.6 | 40 | 256 qam | 24 |
10 | 603000000 | 5.5 | 40 | 256 qam | 25 |
11 | 611000000 | 5.1 | 40 | 256 qam | 26 |
12 | 619000000 | 4.5 | 40 | 256 qam | 27 |
13 | 627000000 | 5.3 | 40 | 256 qam | 28 |
14 | 635000000 | 5 | 38 | 256 qam | 29 |
15 | 643000000 | 4.8 | 38 | 256 qam | 30 |
16 | 651000000 | 5.1 | 40 | 256 qam | 31 |
17 | 659000000 | 4.9 | 40 | 256 qam | 32 |
18 | 667000000 | 4.9 | 38 | 256 qam | 33 |
19 | 675000000 | 4.8 | 38 | 256 qam | 34 |
20 | 683000000 | 4.9 | 40 | 256 qam | 35 |
21 | 691000000 | 5 | 40 | 256 qam | 36 |
22 | 699000000 | 4.5 | 40 | 256 qam | 37 |
23 | 707000000 | 4.6 | 40 | 256 qam | 38 |
24 | 715000000 | 4.5 | 40 | 256 qam | 39 |
Downstream bonded channels
Channel Locked Status RxMER (dB) Pre RS Errors Post RS Errors
1 | Locked | 40.3 | 45 | 0 |
2 | Locked | 40.3 | 29 | 0 |
3 | Locked | 40.3 | 28 | 0 |
4 | Locked | 40.3 | 27 | 0 |
5 | Locked | 40.9 | 34 | 0 |
6 | Locked | 40.9 | 34 | 0 |
7 | Locked | 40.3 | 26 | 0 |
8 | Locked | 40.3 | 32 | 0 |
9 | Locked | 40.3 | 28 | 0 |
10 | Locked | 40.3 | 42 | 0 |
11 | Locked | 40.3 | 29 | 0 |
12 | Locked | 40.3 | 61 | 0 |
13 | Locked | 40.3 | 43 | 0 |
14 | Locked | 38.9 | 49 | 0 |
15 | Locked | 38.9 | 54 | 0 |
16 | Locked | 40.3 | 55 | 0 |
17 | Locked | 40.3 | 52 | 0 |
18 | Locked | 38.6 | 65 | 0 |
19 | Locked | 38.9 | 60 | 0 |
20 | Locked | 40.9 | 60 | 0 |
21 | Locked | 40.3 | 61 | 0 |
22 | Locked | 40.3 | 50 | 0 |
23 | Locked | 40.3 | 58 | 0 |
24 | Locked | 40.3 | 59 | 0 |
Upstream bonded channels
Channel Frequency (Hz) Power (dBmV) Symbol Rate (ksps) Modulation Channel ID
1 | 60300026 | 39.5 | 5120 | 64 qam | 1 |
2 | 39400056 | 37.5 | 5120 | 64 qam | 4 |
3 | 46200024 | 38 | 5120 | 64 qam | 3 |
4 | 53700029 | 39.5 | 5120 | 64 qam | 2 |
Upstream bonded channels
Channel Channel Type T1 Timeouts T2 Timeouts T3 Timeouts T4 Timeouts
1 | ATDMA | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
2 | ATDMA | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
3 | ATDMA | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
4 | ATDMA | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
on 21-05-2021 12:14
Update: The afm has admitted it is over utilised. However it is not bad enough for them fix.
My options are:
1. Leave (without fees).
2. Escalate to management.
The reason I’m sharing this is to warn others of what can happen.
Believe me if I had any other provider I would take it.
This stands as a warning to all potential customers.
If you enter into a contract with these people you can be stuck with a knowingly under performing network that they will refuse is fix.
Look at what I have been through, do you want the same?
on 21-05-2021 13:29
I had years of over utilisation problems with VM and there were occasional "fixes" and lots of smoke and mirrors — such as closing fault numbers and issuing new ones … or "fixes" that lasted a month or two.
I think that in my area competition from Sky and particularly BT, who were very upfront and honest about what they could and couldn't do, meant that VM had to resolve the utilisation issues or start losing customers. It was finally fixed properly a couple of years ago and has been generally OK since.
But, Portsmouth has just been cabled by CityFibre. This is fibre optic direct to the front door with 1Gb download AND upload for around £40 a month from Giganet.
It'll be interesting to see what VM do next.
on 21-05-2021 16:38
Things I observe here:
1) Mule like obstinacy from VM, so that it has taken four months to force them to admit that they have sold more contracts than their network can support around you (and not that far from VM's glitzy headquarters), despite the problem being identified by a forum user within three hours of your original post back in February.
2) When this started you were on 350 Mbps. At some point you chose to upgrade to 1 Gbps (?), showing that firstly a Hub 4 on its own, with more channels and higher modulation isn't going to address over-utilisation, and secondly that VM are continuing to sell speed upgrades when they know (or should know) that the network is at capacity.
3) I'd say you now need to raise this as a formal complaint if you haven't already, wait to be fobbed off, and then escalate to CISAS asking for compensation under every possible heading. I suspect that CISAS would readily wring several hundred quid out of VM, and an ongoing discount for the faulty connection, that would go some way to cover the costs of a slow ADSL or VDSL line for gaming and latency sensitive purposes, whilst keeping the VM connection for heft downloads and non-latency sensitive use? If you do this, the complaint to VM needs to be long, precise and detailed, to specify exactly what you regard as an acceptable settlement, and to request a deadlock letter if the company can't immediately agree to settle on terms acceptable to you.
I'll flag for the forum staff since this matter could easily go to CISAS, which is slow and tedious for all concerned (as well as costing VM hundreds of quid in case fees), I'm not sure whether the forum staff can expedite an acceptable settlement, but worth a try.
on 21-05-2021 16:57
Hi Risc19,
We are helping you with this, and have escalated your complaint as we could not come to a resolution, as I have advised in my message my manager will be in touch in regards to this.
Zoie
on 24-05-2021 15:43
This is new...
Also If I go to the hub4 GUI (but don't sign in) and look under network status it will show I do have pre and post RS errors.
Then I immediately sign in and check network status they are magically all reset to 0!
What the?
Anyone else noticed that?
on 24-05-2021 15:52
Without signing in I got this.....
3.0 Downstream channels
Channel Lock Status RxMER (dB) Pre RS Errors Post RS Errors
1 | Locked | 38.983261 | 0 | 0 |
2 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
3 | Locked | 38.983261 | 3 | 0 |
4 | Locked | 40.366287 | 2 | 0 |
5 | Locked | 40.946209 | 1 | 0 |
6 | Locked | 40.946209 | 1 | 0 |
7 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
8 | Locked | 40.366287 | 11 | 0 |
9 | Locked | 38.983261 | 0 | 0 |
10 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
11 | Locked | 40.366287 | 14 | 0 |
12 | Locked | 40.366287 | 4 | 0 |
13 | Locked | 40.366287 | 1 | 0 |
14 | Locked | 40.366287 | 9 | 0 |
15 | Locked | 40.366287 | 13 | 0 |
16 | Locked | 40.946209 | 2 | 0 |
17 | Locked | 40.946209 | 6 | 0 |
18 | Locked | 40.366287 | 11 | 2 |
19 | Locked | 40.366287 | 23 | 2 |
20 | Locked | 40.366287 | 1 | 0 |
21 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
22 | Locked | 40.366287 | 4 | 16 |
23 | Locked | 40.946209 | 1 | 0 |
24 | Locked | 40.946209 | 4 | 0 |
25 | Locked | 40.946209 | 11 | 0 |
26 | Locked | 40.366287 | 16 | 2 |
27 | Locked | 40.366287 | 13 | 0 |
28 | Locked | 40.366287 | 2 | 0 |
29 | Locked | 40.366287 | 8 | 0 |
30 | Locked | 40.366287 | 7 | 12 |
31 | Locked | 40.366287 | 13 | 2 |
3.1 Downstream channels
Channel ID Lock Status RxMER Data (dB) PLC Power (dBmV) Correcteds (Active Profile) Uncorrectables (Active Profile)
159 | Locked | 43 | 2.3 | 490044394 | 21 |
on 24-05-2021 15:54
And after I sign in....
3.0 Downstream channels
Channel Lock Status RxMER (dB) Pre RS Errors Post RS Errors
1 | Locked | 38.983261 | 0 | 0 |
2 | Locked | 38.983261 | 0 | 0 |
3 | Locked | 38.983261 | 0 | 0 |
4 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
5 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
6 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
7 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
8 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
9 | Locked | 38.983261 | 0 | 0 |
10 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
11 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
12 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
13 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
14 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
15 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
16 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
17 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
18 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
19 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
20 | Locked | 40.946209 | 0 | 0 |
21 | Locked | 40.946209 | 0 | 0 |
22 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
23 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
24 | Locked | 40.946209 | 0 | 0 |
25 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
26 | Locked | 40.946209 | 0 | 0 |
27 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
28 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
29 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
30 | Locked | 40.366287 | 0 | 0 |
31 | Locked | 40.946209 | 0 | 0 |
3.1 Downstream channels
Channel ID Lock Status RxMER Data (dB) PLC Power (dBmV) Correcteds (Active Profile) Uncorrectables (Active Profile)
159 | Locked | 43 | 2.3 | 493374642 | 21 |
VERY ODD.
on 24-05-2021 16:15
Hi there @risc19
I'm so sorry to see your services have been affected and thank you for updating us. I can see that my colleague has escalated this for you and advised that a manager will be in touch.
Please do let us know what they advise when they are in touch.
Thank you very much again.
on 24-05-2021 23:11
Hello,
Yes, I'm aware of that and I'm sorry to bother you.
But I'm trying to tell you this is NEW behaviour.
Not my normal utilization problem.
As you can see if you look there is a spike each and every hour like clockwork.
The red was me shutting the power to the house off to do some work.
It's certainly in keeping with this threads title.
on 25-05-2021 02:46
Hi Rico19
Been following your post when I have time to update my problem here.
I hope your new behaviour dont end up like mine, from 1 hour spike to 30-60mins intermittent disconnection and ended up 1-5mins intermittent disconnection on a bad day (half of the week).