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Lindum
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Length of passwords

After down grading from super fast broadband to just 35 megs  (At half the price) I change my Super hub 2 for a 3, but I'm having trouble getting the passwords changed. It a question of the length of the password more than anything else.

  1. The length of the first password (the one to get into the hub).
  2. Changing the WiFi Network name
  3. The WiFi password its self.

Everything is working OK and I don't need any help with anything else, its just the legnth of the 3 passwords above.

Thanks a lot.

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jbrennand
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Re: Length of passwords

What "exactly" is the issue? You just log into to Hub go to the correct box, erase contents, type in what you want and remember to save/apply changes?

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Re: Length of passwords

If it was that simple I'd be getting on with my website SEO instead of spending my time on this forum.

Every time I put in a password it says.......

Ashampoo_Snap_2018.12.24_15h22m21s_001_.png

 

 

I expect 100 characters are too much for the page to accept, but with the bloody hackers on my estate you've got to try and deter them at every turn.

SO PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION, HOW LONG CAN THE PASSWORDS BE

 

Thanks a lot

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@Lindum wrote:

SO PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION, HOW LONG CAN THE PASSWORDS BE

Thanks a lot


NO IDEA ! I would do the experiment myself and gather the data that gives you the answer you desire.  Put a 50 character one in there and see if it "holds"  If it doesn't try 25.  If it does try it again with 75....  you get the idea. Smiley Happy

EDIT: or a 1' Google reveals rather an ancient system.  "Might be Hub specific".

https://help.virginmedia.com/system/templates/selfservice/vm/help/customer/locale/en-GB/portal/20030...

 Note: The minimum criteria for the WiFi password is:

  • 10 characters long
  • Must include 1 or 2 upper case letters
  • Must include 1 or 2 numbers
  • Must not have 8 lower case letters in a row

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DreamOfCheese
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Re: Length of passwords

The maximum password length for WPA2-PSK is 63 characters, if the Hub will accept this is another story entirely, but by specification it should.
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Re: Length of passwords

The heuristic guesses of others here are hilarious but then the VMDG505 was first released for Community Beta testing at least 5 firmware versions ago back in Sept2015 then so were ours!

Eventually we discovered that CPE Development and LG/VM R&D had a sense of humour and produced a whole compendium of acceptable passwords,  eg:  ManyPl0nkersCanTry32char=1string  which could be accepted  in both Admin (GUI).  and w/less pw fields .....   but others like:  

ManyPl0nkersCanTry32char=1stringBut41morethenVeryStrong=Worse!?  (Yes this is 63character maxima as 1 passably intelligent responder has already posted! )  may fail in Admin SSO pw field but acceptable in WLAN pw fields?  

Why not cut'n'paste these(ONLY THE ITALIC  examples)  just to try on your firmware version? Oh,  come on -   it's fun!   (Ahhhh  I forgot to mention that over the years some of these were f/w dependent and  currently it's highly likely my current 609 firmware is not the same as your 116V/608 production versions! Smiley Tongue ).

Of course VM won't easily/readily disclose other pw restrictions such as:

  • maximum 7 (or even 8 -see above) contiguous lower case letters allowed! (Try breaking the string with. UPPERCASE.....NUMERIC....or "SPECIAL"   as per examples?)
  • Use of "special characters" eg: !?=><   et al  above 32. character string lengths?
  • Use of "1" and "0" numerics may not be accepted (try these on smaller <14  char string lengths for your f/w version?)

 

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Re: Length of passwords

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Lindum
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Re: Length of passwords

Thanks to all who replied.

After exhausted searching for a resolve to this problem I ended up just using random numbers from here which seemed to work as they were accepted by the Virgin site admin

The length of passwords were as follows

Superhub Password was 17 characters long

WiFi Password was 16 characters long although I expect the admin may have accepted more for all three, but didn't have the time to find out

SSID Password was also 16 characters long

I would have liked over a hundred or more mixed characters from the above source in all three of these cases, because then I'd have piece of mind that any kids trying to hack my WiFi would be several years older before they got access.

But I guess this solution will have to do for now and I'll use this method each week to change my passwords in future.

 

Thanks again to all who replied and I hope Admin on this site leaves this post up for a while so anyone else having the same problems will benefit from what I had posted.

 

 

 

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Re: Length of passwords

I assume by wifi password you mean the WPA2 pre shared key, in which case I have absolutely no idea what you mean by SSID password, however I have an idea you may have set the SSID to hidden and simply be referring to the name, which is an awful and useless security measure.

If you're going to such extremes as changing the SSID name and pre shared key every week, which will mean reconnecting every wireless device on your network, you'd likely be better off simply investing in higher end wireless gear capable of WPA2-Enterprise security using usernames and password authentication via a RADIUS server.
That would eliminate the hassle of reconnecting every device every week, which is useless anyway as brute forcing WPA2 would take longer than anyone would be willing to spend, if using a GPU and max 8 character PSKs it would still take around one year to crack.
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Re: Length of passwords

I meant the  WiFi Network Name, the VM's

I'm sorry if it was misleading, but at 72 I'm not all that techie minded and struggle with these terms I infrequently use and most of what was in your post went over my head, but I'm grateful to you for taking the time to reply.

You'd think Virgin would let you set passwords at what ever length you wanted not just ten digits long. But I suppose they have their reasons for doing so.

 

Thanks again for the reply.

 

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