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Re: Concrete walls and wi-fi!!!!

Stupid question, what do you mean a switch and wireless access point?

Checked the wi-fi analyser in my room (1 brick wall away from the router) between -60-70 in my son's (2brick walks away) between -80-90. Is that good??

Limited interference I think as i can see a talk talk signal (must be my neighbours) but it's on another channel.
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Re: Concrete walls and wi-fi!!!!

A switch is what you use to connect multiple network leads to a single source.. google network switch.

A wireless access point is what you'd put on the end of an ethernet cable to provide another wireless source.

Alternatively you could use an router, but make sure it has gigabit ports. you'd have to change some settings in it, bit most routers can act as wirelss access points (thats what I have done, as they tend to be cheaper).

 

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Re: Concrete walls and wi-fi!!!!

Basically a switch allows to to connect several wired devices to a single LAN port on the hub.

A Wireless Access point provides a wireless connection for wireless devices which is relayed back to the Hub through a ethernet connection.

When you think about it the Hub is a switch and a wireless access point rolled into one device, 4 LAN ports to connect 4 wired devices to the internet and a wireless access point to provide a wireless connection to the internet. A second wireless router will probably do the same job as a switch and a Wireless access point.

The signal in your room is barely acceptable, you may have issues with streaming if the signal falls below -67dBm

The signal is very poor in your son's bedroom way below -67dBm and on the edge of the receiving threshold of most wireless clients.

Wireless channels overlap on the 2.4Ghz band, so if the Talk Talk router is at least 5 channels away from your channel it will not affect your signal and only slightly affect it if on the same channel. You still need to be mindful of domestic appliances that can cause interference especially on the 2.4Ghz band like A\V streaming devices, Baby monitors, Chordless phones, Microwave ovens Plasma TVs Security systems, Wireless controllers etc. etc.

The material of the walls will have a big difference on signal strength, brick is less of an obstacle than concrete. The signal strength certainly needs improving, but not as much as I originally thought, maybe a decent third party router with the hub in modem mode may improve it enough.

Placing the Hub in a central, open position away from obstacles and electrical  devices can help the signal strength

 

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Re: Concrete walls and wi-fi!!!!

People usually baulk at drilling through walls or ceilings to run Ethernet cabling, but any competent builder or electrician can do this. I'd terminate both ends with an RJ45 face plate. It's a one-off job and your son will get the benefit for as long as he's there.

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Re: Concrete walls and wi-fi!!!!

alternatively you could run it around the skirting board, or you can even get flat ethernet cable you could stick under the carpet..

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Re: Concrete walls and wi-fi!!!!

Laugh, typed this early yesterday and forgot to hit "post"... So I thought eh...

What powerline adaptors do you have?

Your correct in that running Ethernet wouldn't solve the WiFi device issues he may have in his room.  For the wired things a simple 8 port switch can be had for £10-£20 and that would bump you up to 7 wired devices in his room (this is what I did in my sons room).  An access point will be more expensive but would give him his own wifi signal.  I may be wrong in thinking Ethernet cables are not typically UV resistant, so if you do go outside then be sure to buy something that works.  A quick search on amazon found a 20 meter outdoor one for under £9, but like you say holes in walls and all that jazz.

I would definitely use a face plate on the internal walls because they are typically robust enough to mean that an accident tripping on the network cable will not result in the whole line being broken, usually just the ends of your patch cables (Ethernet that goes from wall box to device).

 

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Obviously I do not know the layout of your house, a Wireless Access Point, as suggested, may not necessarily be needed in his room. It could well work just placed centrally upstairs and this may make running CAT5e/6 cable a lot easier. For reference maximum distance for CAT5e/6 cable is 1000ft or 305m. 


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So update on my wi-fi probs.  I bought a 25m cat5 Ethernet cable and have ran the cable through the house (Just loose for now til I work this all out!).  I have ran the cable from the sky router to my old talk talk router, which I have now placed in my son's room.  (He has to connect to this using the old talk talk router password).  This seems to give him enough signal for his Phone etc.  (Only the only the power, wireless and Ethernet lights are on on the talk talk router, the internet one is off).  

 

I was hoping to get a wired connection to his Xbox and tried connecting another Ethernet cable from the old talk talk router straight into the Xbox but this doesn't work.  Any ideas?  I have absolutely no idea what I am doing with this stuff.

I Figured the cat5 cables and 2nd Ethernet cable to the Xbox would sort things out but no such luck.  Is there something else I need to do here to make this work. Not sure if I need to change some settings on the old talk talk router, but not sure how to do that. 

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Re: Concrete walls and wi-fi!!!!

have you turned off the DHCP on all these other routers, since best idea would be from the hub, attach a switch a 1 end of the cable this can give either wired/wireless or both depends on what you buy, since piggy backing all these routers isn't the best of ideas.
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Re: Concrete walls and wi-fi!!!!

Not sure what DHCP is or how to do that? 

Would you recommend connecting a switch in my sons room connected to the main hub via ethernet rather than an old router connected to the hub? 

If so would a switch allow wired and wireless? I though switches just allowed for wired connections? 

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