26-04-2023 09:45 - edited 26-04-2023 09:46
I'm not sure if this is anything but getting different readings from channel 5 upstream on hub 3. Sometimes its 64qam then goes down to 32qam. I have looked on my monitor and cant see any spikes and I've noticed nothing in regards to performance. Any ideas why this happens?
Thanks for your help.
Channel Frequency (Hz) Power (dBmV) Symbol Rate (ksps) Modulation Channel ID
1 | 36600009 | 37.5 | 5120 | 64 qam | 3 |
2 | 43099997 | 37.8 | 5120 | 64 qam | 2 |
3 | 30099985 | 37.3 | 5120 | 64 qam | 4 |
4 | 49600010 | 38 | 5120 | 64 qam | 1 |
5 | 23600317 | 36.5 | 5120 | 32 qam | 9 |
on 26-04-2023 09:53
As a general rule noise on the network is higher the lower you go. That channel isn't clean enough to run at 64 QAM so has been lowered automatically to 32 QAM.
As long as it's not impacting your service it is okay, and if it's prolonged VM will pick up on it. How long it takes them to fix it who knows, but they've automated monitoring that'll see it.
on 26-04-2023 20:51
The 23.6 MHz band is particularly prone to noise ingress (I think some DAB radio transmissions are in this range, so all it needs is a slightly dodgy cable joint somewhere). However DOCSIS is doing exactly what it is designed to do, which is, if necessary, downgrade a particular channel so to at least maintain a good connection rather than try to keep it running at 'full' speed and risk data corruption.
In theory, yes a degraded channel does imply a slower speed - BUT, the throughput of the channels as they are now, is far more than you are signed up to anyway. As you have found, a QAM drop on one or even two channels, probably doesn't cause any real-world issues at all.
Think of it like a pothole in the road, it's quite small and doesn't stop you from driving at 30 mph over it - it might be an issue at 90 mph, but you aren't allowed to, indeed can't, drive that fast down the road anyway - so is the pothole actually a problem?
on 27-04-2023 10:08
@VMUser1812 wrote:The 23.6 MHz band is particularly prone to noise ingress (I think some DAB radio transmissions are in this range, so all it needs is a slightly dodgy cable joint somewhere).
Indeed - a quick search of http://static.ofcom.org.uk/static/spectrum/fat.html shows a few things in the range 20.4 MHz - 26.8 MHz.
The dynamic modulation on SC-QAM isn't actually a part of DoCSIS, it's proprietary but very smart to use for obvious reasons. VM could even have enabled dynamic spectrum on some kit where the CMTS tries to avoid noise by moving upstream frequencies around however this is way more disruptive and I can't recall seeing anyone use it.
on 29-04-2023 12:00
Hi @metalmatt
Welcome back to our community forums and sorry to see you are having hub issues.
I have had a look into your service and I can see some issues with your hub power levels. To best resolve this, we will have to book an engineer visit. Please look out for the purple envelope and provide a response when you can.
Thanks,
on 29-04-2023 12:06
@VMUser1812 wrote:The 23.6 MHz band is particularly prone to noise ingress (I think some DAB radio transmissions are in this range, so all it needs is a slightly dodgy cable joint somewhere).
DAB is broadcast around 170-240MHz so wouldn't affect upstream.
on 30-04-2023 10:18
Glad to hear this @metalmatt
Please do not hesitate to contact us if you need any further help 🙂
Thanks,