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Will we be getting Spike Tv on virgin, it will be available on freeview, freesat and sky as a free channel, so will we get it?

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From what I have heard, negotiations are still ongoing.

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Really is starting to make me sick. Why why why is virgin media last out of the blocks again.
Every other organisation can get this channel at launch why the hell cant Virgin. It's about time we started getting some customer service as well as channels other providers manage to sort.
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Basically because Virgin's deals need more "sorting" than the others, particularly where the channel is Free-to Air on other platforms. In these cases the channels are simply buying a "slot"on an open platform, & an EPG entry, & that is the only transaction taking place. Virgin is a closed platform with only paying customers, so is a different model. Some channels pay for carriage. Some take a cut of VM's income. One party or the other might hold out for a better deal.

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Anyone from virgin read these posts? If so, feel free to comment. Before the 15th would be awesome.

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Comments about confidential negotiations are hardly likely to be discussed on a public Forum. The VM staff on these boards will not know any more than we do.

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But isn't SKY as in BSKYB just a pay platform? Yes you have freesat but this is not SKY, yet SKY are getting it from launch. Virgin does seem to be the last quite a lot to gain a channel when it launches, or get a HD version.

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withitnow wrote:

But isn't SKY as in BSKYB just a pay platform? Yes you have freesat but this is not SKY, yet SKY are getting it from launch. Virgin does seem to be the last quite a lot to gain a channel when it launches, or get a HD version.


Not really.

Roughly, the three businesses work as follows:

 

Freeview: Most content is free to anyone with a receiver, but a few channels require an additional, paid-for decoder card needed to access them.

A new channel provider rents a broadcast channel slot from DTV Services Ltd at their own cost, and also pays for a slot on the Freeview EPG. Whatever money they make from advertising and/or subscriptions is theirs.

 

Sky: Similar to Freeview, but this time the transmitters are part of the Astra 28.2°E cluster of satellites owned by SES S.A. Many channels (Sky's output mostly) require a paid-for decoder card, but some don't (hence Freesat).

A new channel provider rents broadcast bandwidth from SES S.A. again at their own cost, but then pays Sky, FreeSat, or whomever provides the receiving device for a channel slot on their EPG. Whatever money they make from advertising and/or subscriptions is theirs.

 

Virgin Media: Cable TV is a completely separate beast. It's a closed network inaccessible to anyone who isn't a subscriber, and in order to get a channel onto the network the channel provider has to be willing to negotiate with VM from the outset, they can't just set up the transmission and arrange an EPG slot as with the other two. As such, negotiations with VM can take much longer than on the other platforms.

 

 

BT Sport is actually a very good example of how complicated this can get.

 

Freeview: BT paid for the broadcast slot, they handle the subscriptions and billing, anyone with a decoder card gets to watch. Simples.

 

Sky: BT paid for the satellite bandwidth, Sky refused to let BT Sport into their EPG unless they got to handle billing their customers (something BT wanted so they had customer details, demographics and numbers to help them sell to advertisers), BT weren't having any of it. Eventually they figured something out.

 

Virgin Media: Negotiations behind closed doors, and once again right up to the wire. However...

VM understand that having BT Sport (just as it was with Setanta and ESPN beforehand) is quite a coup, especially when you already have a deal for Sky Sports already established. You can offer the works, likely slightly cheaper than Sky can.

Not only that, but by offering it free to all their XL TV customers, they can guarantee BT (and more importantly BT's advertising partners) that on day 1 there are however many million more households able to watch the content in addition to BT's own customers without having to spend a single additional penny to subscribe.

That is quite a bargaining tool for VM with BT, and also quite a good marketing tool for VM to use (especially with the publicised difficulties BT are having with Sky).

I would be surprised if much money (or indeed any at all) changed hands between BT & VM over the carriage of BT Sport, as long as VM can guarantee a minimum XL TV subscriber base, which BT can then sell as potential viewer numbers to their advertisers in addition to BT Vision customers. Anything they make from Sky & Freeview is then money in the bank.

 

 

Nonetheless, this illustrates just how convoluted channel carriage negotiations can be, and that's for channels which are likely to make good money. Spike TV I would envisage has a much lower turnover, and the price of VM carrying the channel may be much more difficult to work out with smaller margins.


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Well up to now it doesn't look like we are getting Spike so won't be able to watch every episode of Breaking Bad, but the good news is we will be able to get....

 

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OMG I can't waitSmiley Wink

 

And before anyone else says I can watch it on Freeview/sat, I don't have an areal or a dish, thank you Virgin!

 

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withitnow wrote:

But isn't SKY as in BSKYB just a pay platform? Yes you have freesat but this is not SKY, yet SKY are getting it from launch. Virgin does seem to be the last quite a lot to gain a channel when it launches, or get a HD version.


Sky is a pay segment operator on an open satellite platform. Spike will be a Free-to-Air channel on satellite. The channel pays SES Astra for a satellite transponder slot. It then pays Freesat or Sky (or either, or neither, as you can use any FTA european satellite kit to receive it) for an EPG slot. Sky viewers therefore do not pay anything for the channel.

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