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murrayna10
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Registered: ‎16-02-2012

Is it possible to have Virgin Check if you are being traffic managed?

No surprises here.  My internet is unbelievably slow in the evening.  So slow I can't stream anything from netflix. I would like to know why it's so slow.  I'm assuming that the problem is traffic management because my internet is fine in the morning.  Is it possible for virgin to look at my account to determine if this is the case?  Also, is there a level of virgin that isn't traffic managed becuase this is ridiculous.

 

I have the 30mb XL package.  Even with a hardline into the Superhub the internet is unsable.  

 

Here is the bbc traceroute results at 20:20 just in case it's helpful.
 

traceroute to bbc.co.uk (212.58.241.131), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 10.27.140.1 (10.27.140.1) 12.362 ms 15.121 ms 114.444 ms
2 cmbg-core-1b-ae2-2567.network.virginmedia.net (80.1.201.241) 44.068 ms 138.060 ms 39.166 ms
3 nrth-bb-1b-ae5-0.network.virginmedia.net (212.43.163.145) 115.167 ms 54.584 ms 13.238 ms
4 tele-ic-4-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net (62.253.174.18) 93.352 ms 46.576 ms 17.631 ms
5 pos6-1.rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk (212.58.239.237) 28.813 ms 57.554 ms 192.487 ms
6 * * *
7 ae1.er01.rbsov.bbc.co.uk (132.185.254.46) 101.795 ms 167.437 ms 16.263 ms
8 132.185.255.134 (132.185.255.134) 99.920 ms 134.753 ms 53.255 ms
9 virtual-vip-231.thdo.bbc.co.uk (212.58.241.131) 89.905 ms 58.370 ms 167.126 ms

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andybundy
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Registered: ‎17-05-2011

Re: Is it possible to have Virgin Check if you are being traffic managed?

Traffic management (should) only apply to Peer-2-Peer traffic (bittorrent) and Usenet NewsGroups traffic - both of these being identified by various little black boxes with flashing lights deep within the VM network infrastructure.  To my knowledge, Netflix does not use any form of peer-to-peer traffic, so should not be subjected to any form of traffic shaping whatsoever, at least according to the published policies on these things.

 

Chances are that you're experiencing the same problems as many other fellow customers at the moment, that the VM network hubs in your area (where all the cable connections come together) are simply reaching their designed capacity (or have already exceeded it) and therefore everything suddenly slows down.  In such cases, not only does traffic slow down (as we all have to take our turn) but the equipment gets overloaded and starts to simply drop 'packets' (as they are called) when they can't be processed.  It is this 'packet loss' which really causes things to slow down.

 

Personally I've been monitoring packet loss of betwee 16-30% at peak times down here on the South Coast - which renders things almost unusable.  I got faster connection speeds in the days of 56K modems (no joke!).

 

Traceroute is helpful for understanding where you packets go, but not for how well or quickly they get there.  It is also unreliable 

 

To get a better idea for yourself, take each hop (line) in your traceroute and note the IP address (eg 192.168.0.1).  To each address in turn, use the ping (packet internet groper, in case you were interested!) command to check connectivity.  On a windows box, obtain a command line (CMD) window, and type:

 

ping -n 50 a.b.c.d

where

'-n 50' tells it to ping 50 times (default is 4, not very helpful)

'a.b.c.d' is the IP address from each line of the traceroute.

 

Here's my example:

C:\Users\andrewb>ping -n 50 8.8.8.8

Pinging 8.8.8.8 with 32 bytes of data:
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=162ms TTL=51

... repeated 50 lines in total

 

Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8:
Packets: Sent = 50, Received = 33, Lost = 17 (34% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 50ms, Maximum = 384ms, Average = 168ms

 

You are looking to see the 'Sent' and 'Received' being the same, with little variation betwen Minimum and Maximum round trip times.  My example above, which is to the 'Google OPENDNS' service, is really BAD!

 

Go line by line, but remember that once the packet loss starts, it will affect all subsequent 'hops'.  The hostname of the device on the line where trouble starts will give you a clue as to where the problem lies.  In other words, if it includes 'network.virginmedia.net' then its within VM's network.

 

I hope this helps :-)

Andy


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murrayna10
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Re: Is it possible to have Virgin Check if you are being traffic managed?

Andy,

Thanks for the information...super informative. Do you know the command for a mac offhand? I'd be interested to run your test to see what I'm at.

William

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paultechy
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Registered: ‎08-06-2010

Re: Is it possible to have Virgin Check if you are being traffic managed?


murrayna10 wrote:
Andy,

Thanks for the information...super informative. Do you know the command for a mac offhand? I'd be interested to run your test to see what I'm at.

William


http://www.wikihow.com/Ping-on-Mac-OS you can also do this from a terminal

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zootlewurdle
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Re: Is it possible to have Virgin Check if you are being traffic managed?


murrayna10 wrote:

No surprises here.  My internet is unbelievably slow in the evening.  So slow I can't stream anything from netflix. I would like to know why it's so slow.  I'm assuming that the problem is traffic management because my internet is fine in the morning.  Is it possible for virgin to look at my account to determine if this is the case?  Also, is there a level of virgin that isn't traffic managed becuase this is ridiculous.

 

I have the 30mb XL package.  Even with a hardline into the Superhub the internet is unsable.  

 

Here is the bbc traceroute results at 20:20 just in case it's helpful.
 

traceroute to bbc.co.uk (212.58.241.131), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 10.27.140.1 (10.27.140.1) 12.362 ms 15.121 ms 114.444 ms
2 cmbg-core-1b-ae2-2567.network.virginmedia.net (80.1.201.241) 44.068 ms 138.060 ms 39.166 ms
3 nrth-bb-1b-ae5-0.network.virginmedia.net (212.43.163.145) 115.167 ms 54.584 ms 13.238 ms
4 tele-ic-4-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net (62.253.174.18) 93.352 ms 46.576 ms 17.631 ms
5 pos6-1.rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk (212.58.239.237) 28.813 ms 57.554 ms 192.487 ms
6 * * *
7 ae1.er01.rbsov.bbc.co.uk (132.185.254.46) 101.795 ms 167.437 ms 16.263 ms
8 132.185.255.134 (132.185.255.134) 99.920 ms 134.753 ms 53.255 ms
9 virtual-vip-231.thdo.bbc.co.uk (212.58.241.131) 89.905 ms 58.370 ms 167.126 ms



Are you by any chance in the Cambridge area?  Your UBR IP is the same as mine (and others on here for that matter) also experiencing problems fed by that UBR.

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murrayna10
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Re: Is it possible to have Virgin Check if you are being traffic managed?

I am in the Cambridge area
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zootlewurdle
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Re: Is it possible to have Virgin Check if you are being traffic managed?

What you're probably looking at then is a utilisation issue.  This is why it may appear fine during the day as you say in your original post, but performance drops in the evening.  Whether you're being traffic managed on top of that I can't say, but there's an overall issue with that UBR of too many people connected and/or using more bandwidth than the hardware can support.

 

Techs may come back and insist it's not a utilisation fault.  Thay may well be true in your case, perhaps.  The complaints dept. tried to insist that my issue wasn't utilisation until after much poking they 'discovered' that the issue was simply too many devices attached to the line (if true, basically oversold).

 

IF you're affected by the same issue then expect a very long wait for a resolution.  I'm waiting on a response to my own thread, but last I heard from the complaints dept. is that no fix is even planned yet, let alone an implementation date set.  And these things take a lot of planning...

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Re: Is it possible to have Virgin Check if you are being traffic managed?

These utilisation issues make Virgin's planned download speed upgrade seem like a bit of a joke. They're going to double our service but we'll still get slower than dialup speeds in the evening. It's a gimmick if you ask me...
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zootlewurdle
Posts: 481
Registered: ‎03-11-2010

Re: Is it possible to have Virgin Check if you are being traffic managed?

I put that point to the complaints dept., that if they're doing any technical upgrades then March/April (the time for our area) would surely be the time to resolve this, but evidently this isn't the case and a fix for over utilisation would happen at a later date.

 

This would seem to suggest that the speed doubling does not entail (in our area) upgraded hardware/infrastructure.

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Rachael_J
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Registered: ‎23-11-2011

Re: Is it possible to have Virgin Check if you are being traffic managed?

Hi murrayna10,

 

Sorry to hear you have been having an issue with your connection.The power levels of your modem are fine and I can see there has been no traffic management on your connection.

 

I've have also had a look into your issue and I can confirm that we do have some intermittent spikes in utilisation during peak periods. This isn't yet of a level we can raise for priority work to be carried out, but we'll monitor the issue, and should it develop, we'll get it raised as soon as we can.

Kind Regards,

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