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[PrinterElf]

Hence my point about Opt-In - it should be there for those that want it, and the values fully adjustable, however when I turn on my TiVo following the update, it should not be enabled by default on all recordings without a menu selection from me.

[Phil_C]

I really don't know why you insist on continuing this discussion. At the start, I posted two views - one about reminders and the other about global padding. You disagreed with them both but, after pages of posts, you finally agreed with them both. So why are you continuing?

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mike_gain wrote:

>>The fact that you can set the padding for individual programmes is highly relevant, though, so you'd just set a programme's padding to zero when required - just like you currently set BBC programmmes to have padding when required. Simples

So why bother with anything global then?

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Because many people said that they want it.

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You wouldn't be able to use TiVO with global padding ON and OFF at the same time. The are mutually exclusive.

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You wouldn't have to!

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To avoid the problem I have described it would have to be OFF (and correct me if I am mistaken but you seem to agree). More than that it would really need to be OFF from the start, otherwise you'd need to turn it OFF when you encountered said problem (as this would appear to be the only solution to the problem) then go through your recordings/series links and remove (and in a small amount of cases add ) padding. What a great user experience.

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Total rubbish.

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I get that you are saying that becasue it can be turned off then there is no problem but you seem to be saying that there is no problem having it on. I repeat again why bother developing it as a solution if the only way it should be used is in the OFF configuration with fine grained padding added for those recordings that happen to be broadcast by one of the offending channel? It's no use saying configure the global padding values to 0 either as you do need padding in a few cases

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Look. I'll try to write it as simply as possible for you. With a configurable global padding, those users who want global padding can set the values to what suits them, while those users who don't want global padding, of which you are one, can set the values to zero or turn it off. It's that simple, and it covers your example in the way you described. It covers all stated desires, including yours. What more can I say? You've already agreed with that.

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In reality very few recordings (channels if I'm honest) need padding, padding is the exception not the norm. If padding every recording was not an issue then the solution provided in the 15.2 release would be fine as it makes no difference if the values are 1 at the start and 4 at the end or 1 at both ends, you're still padding every recording which is excessive.

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This discussion has never been about the global padding that's part of the update - so that was wasted paragraph.

Why do you continue with this? You've already agreed with my two views, so why waste your time? 

[mike_gain]

I've agreed with neither of your views so lets just end it shall we.

You haven't fully understood my example or most of my points and the internet is possible not the best place to try and explain it. 

[mike_gain]

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PrinterElf wrote:

Hence my point about Opt-In - it should be there for those that want it, and the values fully adjustable, however when I turn on my TiVo following the update, it should not be enabled by default on all recordings without a menu selection from me.

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Out of interest what values would you suggest people use for all their recordings if they opt in and want to get the most out of their box in as we can all agree that 1 minute before and 4 after is not ideal?

As I see if we already have global padding (none) with the opt in to override it when required. There was no need to change the hardcoded default and no need to implement functionality that allows the defaults to be set by the user just to give them the choice adding padding that will be detremental to their experience.

[Phil_C]

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mike_gain wrote:

I've agreed with neither of your views so lets just end it shall we.

You haven't fully understood my example or most of my points and the internet is possible not the best place to try and explain it. 

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I am happy to end it but I repeat that you agreed with both of my views, as can be seen in your posts. It took pages of posts but you finally agreed with both of them.

Just out of interest, whether or not I fully understood your example is irrelevant. You said yourself that there is a solution that you actually use and, since your solution is done with the pre-updated TiVo (no global padding), then it could still be done with a configurable global padding, which you would configure to be either off or have zero padding at both ends; i.e. identical to the way is now (pre-update), so your solution would work just fine.

[cbc]

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Phil_C wrote:

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mike_gain wrote:

I've agreed with neither of your views so lets just end it shall we.

You haven't fully understood my example or most of my points and the internet is possible not the best place to try and explain it. 

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I am happy to end it but I repeat that you agreed with both of my views, as can be seen in your posts. It took pages of posts but you finally agreed with both of them.

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Phil! You are wicked, lol!

[mike_gain]

>> I am happy to end it but I repeat that you agreed with both of my views, as can be seen in your posts. It took pages of posts but you finally agreed with both of them.

Just to clarify I would have to agree that global padding is both useful to me (which we do agree on as I could make it work..as you have pointed out several times) and useful to everyone else. I don't agree that it is useful for anyone else and have given an example of why I don't think it is and hence why I don't see any point developing it when we are all better off with what we have (although I am aware this is only for a short time)

As for reminders I don't see how you can see that I agree but there is no harm in you believing I do and me knowing I don't :-)

So long as we can agree that we don't agree on the above points we can leave it at that ;-)

[mike_gain]

>>Phil! You are wicked, lol! 

And incorrect ;-)

[Phil_C]

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mike_gain wrote:

Just to clarify I would have to agree that global padding is both useful to me (which we do agree on as I could make it work..as you have pointed out several times) and useful to everyone else. I don't agree that it is useful for anyone else and have given an example of why I don't think it is and hence why I don't see any point developing it when we are all better off with what we have (although I am aware this is only for a short time)

As for reminders I don't see how you can see that I agree but there is no harm in you believing I do and me knowing I don't :-)

So long as we can agree that we don't agree on the above points we can leave it at that ;-)

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I don't want this fruitless discussion to continue any longer, but I can't resist this How can you say that global padding is useful to both you and everyone else (brown type) and follow it by saying that it is not useful for anyone else (blue type)?

(red type) You did give an example that you said made  configurable global padding no good in that circumstance, and then you stated how you deal with it with the current absense of global padding. Since configurable global padding can totally mimic no global padding, I can only see that that example can be dealt with by a system that has configurable global padding. There's no other possible conclusion.

(green type) You did agree and I'll find your post, but I'm about to go out for the evening so it'll have to be tomorrow.

[Phil_C]

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cbc wrote:

Phil! You are wicked, lol!

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True, but it's getting a bit boring now