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markscottuk wrote:

You are surely looking at 802.11AD or wi-gig for this modem.   Interestingly, with the 3rd party wireless market starting to mature (Google Wi-Fi, Unifi etc), maybe a Modem only model would be beneficial, especially to those who are more advanced users who will have their own wifi and edge routers / firewalls deployed.

 

 


Or a simple statement that to achieve the tier's speeds will require a wired connection, much as there is on the various gigabit tiers available over FTTP and 3.0/3.1 now - see https://www.comhem.se/bredband/bredband-1000 for example.

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MUD_Wizard wrote:

http://www.multichannel.com/news/content/liberty-global-eyes-q4-docsis-31-service-launch/411673


That matches up with what I've been hearing. If you notice, also, there are relief dates for congestion well into the future.

Perhaps far enough away for VM to offload some high-end, heavy users onto a 3.1 overlay?

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MUD_Wizard wrote:

 

Unfortunately, we're unlikely to get much of a new higher tier as all the channels haven't been maxed out on the Hub 3 yet.

Of course VM could be at the start (Sept 2017 onwards) or the end (Sept 2018 onwards) of that roll-out.

 


VM will be seeing pilot deployments of 3.1 this year.

In places there are nodes with all 24 channels lit, I should make clear that the current VM platform can't deliver more than 24 channels in a single group so they can't spin up 32 and load balance, that are still experiencing capacity issues or will be in the not too distant. Selective deployment of 3.1 is a viable capacity relief option for these and will relieve the need for node splits.

Longer term VM do have to pursue a strategy of adding more 3.0 channels in areas that aren't maxed out, delivering 3.1 to relieve 3.0 of the heavier users, splitting nodes and upgrading HFC plant where there are RF capacity issues preventing addition of more 3.0 channels and a 3.1 OFDM block. Those are presented in order of cost.

There are some issues that I won't go into in public with regards to capacity planning. Liberty Global need to get their heads around that one size does not fit all and UK and Ireland customers have usage patterns and expectations that don't match those in Hungary or Romania.

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tekmobile wrote:
I vote for modem only and hope your predictions are true

I'm afraid that as things stand now you're in for disappointment if you're hoping for a modem rather than a gateway.


Is that your way of say their be no modem mode? if so I want real DMZ.

 

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Didn't say anything about modem mode at all, just that the device is extremely unlikely to be a stand alone modem rather than a gateway.

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Ignition wrote:

Didn't say anything about modem mode at all, just that the device is extremely unlikely to be a stand alone modem rather than a gateway.


But your not saying it will have modem mode.

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It's pretty much expected these days to be given a router and I wouldn't expect any kind of modem from VM would just be nice to have the option as long as the router has a modem mode that works just as good as a standalone modem then this really does fill the gap for those wanting one


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Having looked at the linked PDF for the TG3442 I sincerely hope that this is not the unit that ultimately becomes the next Hub 3.1 / 4

From the spec listing:

Multi Processor Technology with ARM and ATOM based Application Processor

So basically saying that this is a DOCSIS 3.1 Intel Puma 7

From the limited amount of testing that has occurred with Puma 7 devices they look to have inherited a lot of the ongoing issues from the Puma 6 based Hub 3.0.

Also if they are looking at a phased roll out with only high bandwidth customers being connected. To begin with a modem only deployment may even be the sensible way to go. Modem only must be cheaper and top tier customers are more likely to already be running there own router / firewall.

The Phase 2 roll out to the masses, when the end point hardware has reduced in price, could then use the full gateway hardware.

As long as modem mode is an option I don't really mind. But please, please, please NOT Intel again. Testing on 3.1 Broadcom units have shown them to perform significantly better.

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legacy1 wrote:

Ignition wrote:

Didn't say anything about modem mode at all, just that the device is extremely unlikely to be a stand alone modem rather than a gateway.


But your not saying it will have modem mode.


*You're

Neither am I saying it won't because I don't know. All I said was that it would be extremely unlikely to be a stand alone modem. Nothing more or less.

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legacy1 wrote:

Ignition wrote:

Didn't say anything about modem mode at all, just that the device is extremely unlikely to be a stand alone modem rather than a gateway.


But your not saying it will have modem mode.

Tell me which of these Virgin Hubs did NOT have modem mode? SH1, SH2, SH2ac, Hub3? I rest my case.

 

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