on 03-08-2012 10:18
I did some research and discovered that the V+ Box (Samsung) is consuming 20W on standy - which translates into circa £15-£20 worth of electricity per year. This is not acceptable and should have been red flagged by Virgin a long time ago - nevermind, I decided to get rid.
I contacted Virgin and asked to drop down to non PVR box - which would save me £60 in annual subscription - and also the £20 in electric. The chap was very helpful and keen for me to use their self install option. All good so far - the new box arrived, I installed, sent the old one back using the returns service. The new Cisco box, when shutdwon completely, consumes 0.2W - fantastic.
I now today receive the bill - guess what - a £20 for and I quote "Installation Charge" - for me installing it!!
So I ring Virgin and get told that:
I am going to send this same post to OFCOM, Watchdog & Moneysaving experts - I understand that services have to be paid for, but not being able to demonstrate clear visibility of these charges represents mis selling in my book. They could have quite easily charged me £300 - and claimed the same terms applied. The principle of the non disclosure or ability to prove the source of cost is seriously at fault here.
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on 03-08-2012 10:38
Firstly, the £20 is a delivery charge for the box and the return packing. It is not an installation charge. However they should have informed you of this when ordering.
Secondly, the V+ boxes are now old technology, having been around for 20 odd years, no longer manufactured and being phased out to be replaced by the TiVO.
on 03-08-2012 10:57
on 03-08-2012 13:05
nodrogd wrote:Firstly, the £20 is a delivery charge for the box and the return packing. It is not an installation charge. However they should have informed you of this when ordering.
Secondly, the V+ boxes are now old technology, having been around for 20 odd years, no longer manufactured and being phased out to be replaced by the TiVO.
To be fair the Samsung V+ is only a few years old (can't be more than 4 years old). Also the TiVo runs at 18W on standby and 20W when not. So, while I think this is still more than reasonable for what it is doing, a TiVO is unlikely to be a solution to the OP's power usage problem.
on 03-08-2012 13:46
Wow - 18W on standby - is that shut down completely?
mike_gain wrote:To be fair the Samsung V+ is only a few years old (can't be more than 4 years old). Also the TiVo runs at 18W on standby and 20W when not. So, while I think this is still more than reasonable for what it is doing, a TiVO is unlikely to be a solution to the OP's power usage problem.
The new Cisco HD Box uses 0.2W after shutdown (see standby menu)
My new Panny Frewview PVR consumes 0.2W also when asleep and waiting for a record timer event to wake.
If the lowest the Tivo will get down to is 18W then Virgin are supplying a product that breaks regs laid down by the National Measurement Office:
http://www.bis.gov.uk/assets/nmo/docs/eup/leaflets/simple-set-top-boxes.pdf
03-08-2012 13:56 - edited 03-08-2012 14:03
mrfoster wrote:
If the lowest the Tivo will get down to is 18W then Virgin are supplying a product that breaks regs laid down by the National Measurement Office:
http://www.bis.gov.uk/assets/nmo/docs/eup/leaflets
No it doesn't http://efficient-products.defra.gov.uk/cms/assets/
This regulation applies to Simple set-top boxes (SSTB). A SSTB is a stand-alone
device which, irrespectively of the interfaces used,
(a) has the primary function of converting standard-definition (SD) or high-definition
(HD), free-to-air digital broadcast signals to analogue broadcast signals suitable for
analogue television or radio;
(b) has no ‗conditional access‘ (CA) function
(c) offers no recording function based on removable media in a standard library
format.
A SSTB can be equipped with the following additional functions and/or components
which do not constitute a minimum specification of an SSTB:
(a) time-shift and recording functions using an integrated hard disk;
(b) conversion of HD broadcast signal reception to HD or SD video output;
(c) second tuner.
Doesn't apply to TiVo as it decodes more than just free-to-air channels and has Conditional Access
TiVo would be a 'Complex Set Top Box' which hasn't yet had regulations fully defined and ratified http://www.eceee.org/Eco_design/products/complex_s
on 03-08-2012 13:59
mrfoster wrote:Wow - 18W on standby - is that shut down completely?
mike_gain wrote:To be fair the Samsung V+ is only a few years old (can't be more than 4 years old). Also the TiVo runs at 18W on standby and 20W when not. So, while I think this is still more than reasonable for what it is doing, a TiVO is unlikely to be a solution to the OP's power usage problem.The new Cisco HD Box uses 0.2W after shutdown (see standby menu)My new Panny Frewview PVR consumes 0.2W also when asleep and waiting for a record timer event to wake.If the lowest the Tivo will get down to is 18W then Virgin are supplying a product that breaks regs laid down by the National Measurement Office:http://www.bis.gov.uk/assets/nmo/docs/eup/leaflets/simple-set-top-boxes.pdf
The standby on the TiVo only shuts down the video output ports I think so it is still buffereing content from all 3 tuners and carrying out it's other tasks all of which I deem to be useful so I don't mind the power usage...others have their own opinions on this.
I don't beleive the TiVo or Sky boxes fall under the regulations that your link points to, whether that is right or wrong is probably up for debate. I think it's because they are supplied as part of a contract with either Sky or VM whereas freeview boxes can be bought off the shelf (or something along those lines).
on 03-08-2012 14:00
on 03-08-2012 14:08
mrfoster wrote:
Can anyone confirm the lowest possible standby consumption for the TiVo box?
18 Watts
on 03-08-2012 14:17
Understand that the TIVO is continually pulling content down - but how about an option that allows the user to save power and sacrifice a little functionality. The Panasonic PVR does just this - lose the DLNA server and you can shut the thing down to 0.2W.
Maybe the consumer should be made aware - especially when Virgin are supposed to be a green ambassador....